+davidcalgary29 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Has anyone made a homebrew of a "Sokoban"-type game? I'd love to see something like this for the 2600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer raul Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 x2... that is a cool game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Mitchell Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I have Sokoban on my HP200LX palmtop! Great puzzle game distraction. Because there are so many puzzle levels, you would have to remember where you had left off. Maybe a game select would allow for level selection? Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted January 21, 2005 Author Share Posted January 21, 2005 Could the 2600 handle a simple password level-select, as is featured in the Lynx version of Crystal Mines 2? Note possible title: "Stellaban" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari-Jess Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 it manages to do so in Secret Quest and Fatal Run, so I'd say yes it can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Andrew Davie Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Has anyone made a homebrew of a "Sokoban"-type game? I'd love to see something like this for the 2600. Al? Shall we tell them?! Cheers A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cootster Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Tell them what? About the sheer goodness and simplicity that is Qb, which unfortunately is no longer available? Wasn't Qb going to be a straight-up Sokoban originally? I think I have an early WIP of that somewhere. As it is, it's still a similar concept, only faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuppicide Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Puzzle games piss me off lol when you get to that one level that you can't pass. I'd like to see this game also though. It's kind of fun, challenging, and how many levels do you think we could fit in a cartridge?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Andrew Davie Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Puzzle games piss me off lol when you get to that one level that you can't pass. I'd like to see this game also though. It's kind of fun, challenging, and how many levels do you think we could fit in a cartridge?! About 1000 or so. Probably much more. I don't believe in locking out the rest of a game because you can't pass a single level. Cheers A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 About 1000 or so. Probably much more. Depends on the cart size, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Andrew Davie Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 About 1000 or so. Probably much more. Depends on the cart size, right? 32K will be the standard cart size I'll be using for quite some time. So I was quoting roughly 1000 levels in a 32K cart. I'm sure I could use your packing prowess, Thomas. Probably a Huffman encoder, something like that. Or even RLE. Just a few bit patterns total, lots and lots of whitespace. Cheers A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagasian Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 A better idea would be to use a psuedo random number generator to automatically generate Sokoban levels. I think there are articles written on such algorithms for making "good" Sokoban levels. If done correctly, you could have an incredibly large number of different levels in a small amount of space, and as long as your psuedo random number generator is deterministic, the level password would be nothing more than the current index in the psuedo random number sequence (i.e. the seed)... obfuscated to prevent cheating, of course. Since you would most likely want to have the original classic Sokoban maps, you could have those as the beginning maps, and once those are completed the later maps would be the automatically generated ones. Though RLE alone might allow for plenty of levels. There is just something cool about having an infinite number of maps, so that people can indefinitely have bragging rights about how far they have gotten so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Though RLE alone might allow for plenty of levels. There is just something cool about having an infinite number of maps, so that people can indefinitely have bragging rights about how far they have gotten so far I agree, but a level generator may become too complicated and slow. I thought about using one for my game Jammed but it was not possible, since I would have needed a lot of RAM (recursive algorithms, backtracking...) and CPU time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Mitchell Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 A better idea would be to use a psuedo random number generator to automatically generate Sokoban levels. ... .Since you would most likely want to have the original classic Sokoban maps, ... Gosh .. I think I only got through about 10 of the original maps .. and there are something like 30 of them. A random generator of maps would upset me if there were no solution!! Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagasian Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 A better idea would be to use a psuedo random number generator to automatically generate Sokoban levels. ... .Since you would most likely want to have the original classic Sokoban maps, ... Gosh .. I think I only got through about 10 of the original maps .. and there are something like 30 of them. A random generator of maps would upset me if there were no solution!! Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA It is not about no solution, but more about highest level you have gotten to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I am a huge fan of near infinite levels. My favorite game is the Amiga Sentinel :-) I'm at level 4,000 or so right now and have been playing it since it came out :-) SO gillions of lvels gets my vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 A random generator of maps would upset me if there were no solution!! Of course the maps would have to be generated solvable. Actually that's exactly the tricky point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuppicide Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I'm not a fan of randomly generated levels. I like pre-set levels. I'm also not a fan of letting someone jump ahead to see levels. I think they need to complete 1 to get to 2.. 2 to get to 3, etc. Sure, someone could get a password to start at say level 25, but they'd not have all the points as if they were to start the game from level 1 and pass each level themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Mitchell Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I'm not a fan of randomly generated levels. I like pre-set levels. I'm also not a fan of letting someone jump ahead to see levels. I think they need to complete 1 to get to 2.. 2 to get to 3, etc. The way my palmtop version works (ASCII graphics BTW) is it saves which map levels have been completed and which have not. If Sokaban were programmed for the Atari then it could use the AtariVox to save this data. That would be cool! Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindfield Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 The way my palmtop version works (ASCII graphics BTW) is it saves which map levels have been completed and which have not. If Sokaban were programmed for the Atari then it could use the AtariVox to save this data. That would be cool! Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA By "Palmtop" are we talking Palm/CE or Portfolio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Mitchell Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 By "Palmtop" are we talking Palm/CE or Portfolio? Hehe! Neither! The best palmtop in the world is still the HP200LX! MS-DOS based palm, Intel 80186 processor inside .. PC-AT compatible! Manufactured from 1993-1999. Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nah, anything with an x86 inside is evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Mitchell Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Nah, anything with an x86 inside is evil. The beauty of my HP200LX palmtop is that it is a standalone computer .. whereas WinCE/ PDAs are instead companions to your home / work / laptop computers. I can write, compile with AS09 and upload code to the Vectrex with it! But I have not yet gotten a version of DASM to run on it. Then I could be writing code for the Atari / Cuttle Cart2 wherever I go. Now I just looked at my palmtop version of Sokoban (vintage 1992) and it has 85 built-in maps of which I have only solved 10 !! Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Mitchell Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 To avoid precision moves and avoid wrong moves .. I think this game would be best if played with the keyboard controller. In addition the user could key in the level initially. Also buttons could be assigned to reset current map to initial setup, undo last move, save (Atarivox). I guess previous and next maps could be achieved by the console switches. Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer raul Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 How hard would it be to include the save feature in the cartrige with a cheap CR2032 battery & built in ram like on the Game Boy games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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