NE146 Posted July 2, 2002 Share Posted July 2, 2002 H3 4M L33T H4X0R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 2, 2002 Share Posted July 2, 2002 H3 4M L33T H4X0R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 I'm preparing a note to Carol now, though I'm not sure she'll respond... Will let you all know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 I'm preparing a note to Carol now, though I'm not sure she'll respond... Will let you all know. I'm quite sure, she won't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Ok, since nobody reacted to my post above, I think it's time to clearly confess: I was just kidding! I hacked the tanks into River Raid (like many of your already supposed). There never where any tanks in River Raid ! When somebody started asking for them, I thought this could start some different kind of fun (did it?), if I stated that they are there. Then some wanted to see some evidence and so I made a hacked version. I hope you can forgive me. But the positive result is also, that I found some space to add working balloons into the game. Albert will post that hack quite soon, I hope. @Albert: Could you please add the word HOAX to the topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 I was thinking there might be something up with this. How could such a big bug get through playtesting? You'd have thought that Carol would have noticed that right away. But then again you always seem to find hidden things so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarimastermarty Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Cool Thomas! What i'm confused about his what do the tanks do? I think there's more code about them shooting involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 And to think that you guys believed him. tsk tsk.. TH0M4S 4M UNL33T H4X0R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Player Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Those Beck's beer commercials are wrong. Germans can be very funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Grrrr! I've been busting my butt trying to get to level 1024 all this time for NOTHING! Curse you Thomas! May moycon post yet another "What might have been" thread in your name!!!! (I think you owe me a FREE copy of Thrust for putting me through that! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Destructo Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 There never where any tanks in River Raid ! Good joke! I can't believe all you suckers fell for it! I was only playing along, of course The price for having this laugh is that you must now finish the code, making the tanks fire into the river. Muahahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Those Beck's beer commercials are wrong. Germans can be very funny. Wow, what a huge compliment for a German! Now it's up to you Americans to prove that you can make tasty beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris++ Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 I was only playing along, of course. Surrrrre you were. CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Room 34 Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Post removed because I went back and read the whole thread. DUH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Okay Thomas, funny joke... But, Carol DID respond: I don't recall putting tanks in Atari 2600 River Raid. I put tanks in the Atari 800 and 5200 versions. I looked in my attic and found my source code printout for 2600 River Raid. One of the postings on the AtariAge forum said that the tank graphics were at $0ED1-$0EE6. My printout starts at $F000. Assuming the corresponding location would be $FED1-$FEE6, I looked there. The label at that point says that it's in the middle of some explosion graphics. Regarding the AtariAge discussion on the random number generator in River Raid, it's a "pseudo-random number generator". It always starts with the same seed, so the "random" numbers are the same each time you play, thus the levels are the same each time. Since more than one random number is used per level, how long it takes to repeat a level depends on whether the random number generator starts to repeat at the same place within a level that it originally started at. Also, there are the two types of levels that alternate, and additional code to make the levels get progressively more difficult up to a certain level (fewer fuel tanks, for example). I never tried to figure out when the levels would start to repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 But, Carol DID respond: I don't recall putting tanks in Atari 2600 River Raid. I put tanks in the Atari 800 and 5200 versions. I looked in my attic and found my source code printout for 2600 River Raid. Cool, if we could get a copy of that printout and make it electronically available, that would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco(2) Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I hope you can forgive me? So, anyone who praised Thomas into heaven, now want to send him to hell? Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 Cool, if we could get a copy of that printout and make it electronically available, that would be great! I agree, it would be great if Carol would allow the original source to be shared online! ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Room 34 Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I agree, it would be great if Carol would allow the original source to be shared online! Is that really up to Carol? I would assume that Activision owns the rights to the code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Yancey Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 I think it is wonderful that any of the Activision programmers respond to our inquiries. Thanks Carol! The games back then changed my life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett6400 Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 wow! reading this thread has made me want to start programming for the atari 2600. how fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 Carol said that the source code is copyright Activision and she couldn't release it without permission. So unless anyone has the ear of an Activision insider (Ken, you listening?), I doubt it's going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 Carol said that the source code is copyright Activision and she couldn't release it without permission. So unless anyone has the ear of an Activision insider (Ken, you listening?), I doubt it's going to happen. I have contacted Ken about this some days ago, but I didn't got a reply yet. Perhaps he is currently very busy or on summer holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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