DEBRO Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 Someone posted some 8-bit demos in alt.binaries.comp.atari8bit. I've only looked at Numen so far but it is incredible!!!!! You can also see in this demo how Vector will look. I really liked the demo that had what looked to be a gold object with light moving across it. Very impressive for the Atari 8-bit. This is a must see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oesii Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 I enjoyed the Numen demo as well, in case anyone doesn't get the binary groups, I'm attaching the demo in .zip format (they are in .atr and require 320kb memory so an emulator is probably required for most), I also have the other 2 demos if someone wants me to post them later. numen_a_b.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Just wanted to point out that the final VECTOR game will work on a standard 64k XL/XE.. its only the demo that requires 320k to run in one pass. nir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Any updates on Vectors release (or specifications)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 from what i saw, the game engine is complete.. and its now in the stage of designing levels and final graphics nir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 what??? our demo numen is online???? oops...i haven't seen the final version... i was in spain... cool, heaven/Taquart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 what??? our demo numen is online???? oops...i haven't seen the final version... i was in spain... cool, heaven/Taquart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 http://numen.scene.pl/ for those who just want to see screenshots of numen... hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 What a great demo - I liked every bit of it sTeVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 steve.... any interests in doing something together on atari 8bit or GBA? hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Hmmmm.... Tempting Hve I'm very busy with work so I don't want to offer and then not live up to it - what do u have in mind?? sTeVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 just small stuff... maybe little game on 8bit or gba...no monster project like numen... what i found impressive in numen is how we finally managed to get really highres multicolor bitmaps and fx on screen... i am highly interested in my GBA... but 1st i should finish time pilot... but i am busy as well... someone should help me in transfering the gfx of mame screenshots into atari raw format.... hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 have... maybe i can give you some help... what graphics you need converted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Hve, I'd love to help out on Time Pilot stuff - mail me some info and I'll get on with some grafix sTeVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Heaven, Seeing all those colors on screen with Numen was awesome - Something I dreamed about when I had my 800 in the 80's and never seeing something so colorful - What I cant believe is the colorful outdoor part - I think I counted over 6 distinct colors on the screen.......That was great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 goochman... type into basic "gr.10" and you get 80x192x9 colors which each you can adress separatly (but beware...708 is the background color! 708-712) so no trick except of "boosting" up the scanlines to an approx 80x60x9 custom screen via display list... looks better that 1:1 ration ;=) hve ps. why is nobody wondering how we made the 160x200x30(!!!) colored hirez gfx... and the best.... used that for realtime effects as well... (knowing that they use 200 DLIs!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 to everyone who want to help me with time pilot gfx... i just need atari bitmaps of the gfx tiles so i can convert that into the raw format for timepilot... they should be alligned to 0-4-8 pixels so i can cut them very easy :=) i mean...make a screenshot of the non antialised mame ones...load them into a pc paint software and reduce the palette to 4 colors... save that picture as bmp...so i can load it directly with my turbo basic xl converter... many many thanks... hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEBRO Posted August 9, 2002 Author Share Posted August 9, 2002 goochman...ps. why is nobody wondering how we made the 160x200x30(!!!) colored hirez gfx... and the best.... used that for realtime effects as well... (knowing that they use 200 DLIs!!!) I ran the demo through Atari800WinPLus and halted the process to see the display list. I don't remember which screen was present but I saw an ANTIC F screen with dozens of colors and even on the same scanline How did you pull that off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Hve, If ya want me to help out mail me directly - I'd rather not be one of several people all doing the same thing - duplicate effort would be a bit of a waste of time... What sizes of sprite images, I assume they would be laid out on a 160X192 screen, I know you said 4 pixel alignments - but what overall sizes and which ones - all or any bits from Timepilot, what about flips and extra rotations or fewer for memory reasons... I can think of a very sweet way of doing the game in Antic D yet looking higher resolution - which may make it run quicker What is your palette setup - so I know which colors to use in which sprites and which parts of sprites - since a flat 4 color conversion would be pretty yucky - if the planes wings used the same color as the clouds but really should be a different one etc. What about PMG's? Of course I can come up with any or all of this stuff on my own, but I'd like to know what the system you've designed supports so I can maximize the look If you ever need any musix I have several unused pieces from Shadow of the Beast etc that may be appropriate for a future project (although not timepilot I reckon).. Anyways just let me know, I would like very much to to be involved sTeVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Heaven - hmmmmmmm, didnt look like a GTIA mode, those screens are usually very blocky but you are the expert Awesome no matter - Looking forward to Vector if it sees the light of day Also looking forward to Time Pilot and Space Harrier as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 re: jetboot i will compile a doc for exactly what i need... so everyone could help re: antic f in numen... yes & no... we mainly used gtia-modes 9,10,11 for maximum shades and color... so try this in basic: gr.8 poke 623,$40 then you see that antic f is correct but we switch on the GTIA modes so the 4 bits are used to select the shade/color or color register in the so called "mode9,10 or mode11"... have a close look in this section on my website http://www.s-direktnet.de/homepages/k_nadj/main.html "What are custom-graphic-modes??? (APAC,CIP,XLP,HIP,...)" and click on HIP. we improved this custom tricky mode with color enchancement so now we call them TIP - Taquart Interlace Picture Mode... heaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 jetboot.... yes...i know... you are talking in a "professional way"... i should have know that this questions will arrise... just kidding... its like talking with my project leaders in development or with my creative agency... but why shouldn't homebrew projects not been handled like "real" ones??? hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheddy Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 Wow! This is a superb demo. Love it. Lots of great things I'd have no idea how to implement to run so fast. The vector engine is especially impressive. Truely amazing. I liked the 160x200x30 colour Heaven! Getting away from primary colours and colour boundaries are a problem I imagine. Excellent! (Shame it has to use so much proc time though) Nice work Taquart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 10, 2002 Share Posted August 10, 2002 my fave fx are - "vector engine" - TIP plasma (with the flower...) - stickman - rubik's rube - HIP bump - the "shuffle game" with the tunnel fx... i have absolutly no clue how eru has coded this effect... - turbo vectors... (nice fill routine in 50 fps... ) - the rotation of taquart logo and then turning into TQA HIP - all gfx, esp the numen color TIP from our gfx man, dracon... - ... well...it seems to me...i like all effects... hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 i was in spain... Can you count in how many countries you've been while linking "Numen" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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