fox Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 so no trick except of "boosting" up the scanlines to an approx 80x60x9 custom screen via display list... Well, it's not simple use of DL - that would be far too slow. These are new tricky gfx modes - 9++ and 10++. ps. why is nobody wondering how we made the 160x200x30(!!!) colored hirez gfx... and the best.... used that for realtime effects as well... (knowing that they use 200 DLIs!!!) You know Heaven, that a few years ago I said, it's impossible. The plasma is 256-color, unfortunately the flower uses only a few of them. I described 9++/10++ and TIP in a Polish zine. How about translating these to English? Will someone be interested? Is "ABBUC" alive? Or "Mega Magazine"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 ok...here we go... - usa (biz) - uk (biz) - austria (biz) - switzerland (biz) - germany (biz) - spain/portugal (vacation) ... sorry... but i think you have made a great job anyway... i love numen... hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 re: polish TIP,9++ etc... tricks... yes...i am interested in english docs... unfortunatly my polish is very very poor... abbuc is alive and there is the intertnet... and atariage... please translate them... ok? in which magazine do you have published the stuff??? hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox Posted August 13, 2002 Share Posted August 13, 2002 in which magazine do you have published the stuff??? "Atarynka" (published by Sikor Soft) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Hello, Thanks to the authors of "numen". Excellent stuff! I liked the Rubik's Cube especially I am just curious: What does "numen" mean? Is this a polish word and if yes for what? Why do you need DLIs for your HIP pictures? If I understood right, then HIP is just interlacing of a Gr. 9 with Gr. 10 picture. So, you could change this durig VBI (colors as well) or didn't I get the point? Greets, Andre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 you definitly need DLIs because of the different handling of the background color...in the way i have understood HIP. in mode10 $d012 holds the background and in mode9 $d01a... but it could be that fox used a clever gfx converter which does handle this via algorithm... so no time consuming DLIs are needed anymore... for the readers who never read my HIP-FAQ... in mode10 due to the fact that gtia needs more dma cycles to read the color registers the picture is moved 1/2 mode10 pixel to the right...and this is how you can increase the resolution via interlacing between mode9 and mode11... hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 I am just curious: What does "numen" mean? Is this a polish word and if yes for what? No, it's not Polish. http://numen.scene.pl click 'info'. Why do you need DLIs for your HIP pictures? If I understood right, then HIP is just interlacing of a Gr. 9 with Gr. 10 picture. So, you could change this durig VBI (colors as well) or didn't I get the point? Interlacing frames means much flickering, so a good interlace is always every scanline.[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 in mode10 $d012 holds the background and in mode9 $d01a... but it could be that fox used a clever gfx converter which does handle this via algorithm... so no time consuming DLIs are needed anymore... Of course I don't put DLI every line. for the readers who never read my HIP-FAQ... in mode10 due to the fact that gtia needs more dma cycles to read the color registers the picture is moved 1/2 mode10 pixel to the right...and this is how you can increase the resolution via interlacing between mode9 and mode11... hve GTIA and DMA ?? Looks like you definitely need my new docs. fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 yes... i need them... you are the genius... not me... but what is then the reason that gtia10-mode is 1/2 pixel shifted to the right???? hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Hello Fox, You wrote VBI-Interlace would introduce more flicker. Why? I cannot see why DLIs should reduce the flickering. Greets, Andre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 well... i try to explain how i have understood this: you can do interlacing in different ways: 1. do simple double buffering (every VBL you switch complete video ram...) this method cause very obvious flickering 2. do it more like on a TV set... flip the scanlines as well, vertically... this reduces the flickering to a minimum if the hue of the pixels differ not too much... and in case of HIP...you need DLI: 1. vbi 2. vbi DList1 DList2 gr9 (0) gr10(0) dli-bit set gr10(1) gr9 (1) gr9 (2) gr10(2) dli-bit set gr10(3) gr9 (3) gr9 (4) gr10(4) dli-bit set ... ... (x) is the number of the scanline in each video-buffer... i think this is something similar to "interleave" interlacing... but i am not a TV technician... here are the DLIs 1. vbi 2. vbi DLI1 DLI2 pha pha lda #$40 lda #$80 ; switching to correct gr-mode (gr9, gr10) sta wsync sta wsync sta gtiamode sta gtiamode lda #0 lda #14 ;setting correct background-color sta $d01a sta $d01a lda #$80 lda #$40 ;switching to next gr.mode (see displaylist) sta wsync sta wsync sta gtiamode sta gtiamode lda #14 lda #0 ;and dont forget the background color! sta $d01a sta $d01a pla pla rti rti i hope its a little bit clearer... (unfortunatly the two dlis are hard to read ) please visit: http://www.s-direktnet.de/homepages/k_nadj/hip.html hve ps. fox... are you interlacing mode11 + mode10 to get 9*16 = 154 colours on 160x200 rez???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 ok.... here are some informations how we managed to get so much colors on the screen of numen and a very new trick how to use the VSCROL register to cheat GTIA...and speed up mode9+ and mode 10+ (Vector modes...) http://www.s-direktnet.de/homepages/k_nadj/tip.html http://www.s-direktnet.de/homepages/k_nadj...dj/mode9++.html have a look... thanks fox for providing the english text. hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Download bugixed version of Numen: http://numen.scene.pl. The most important fixed bug is one which prevented the demo from working on many real machines (not the emulator), but there're also some small improvements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 damned fox... i wanted to give you some texts for the scroller for the final version... i hate to have no spare time... just read on the numen website that you made an interview on the radio??? is there somewhere a small summary in english??? hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox Posted August 25, 2002 Share Posted August 25, 2002 learn Polish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 well... when i entered taquart i've bought a polish dictionary... but it's too hard...so i gave up... why are polish, russian, etc... not learning english??? so quite no bad PR for a atari demo... hve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabato Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Because Polish is great!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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