ItsAtariTime Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Ok.. I know he is a good standing member here... but why do you guys support his actions when it only cost's the community more $$? Here he bought.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=110305351180 Here he sells..... http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PENGO-BOXED-ATARI-...%3A1|240%3A1318 Am I the only one who see this over and over..and yet this community keeps his pockets full? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoncurry Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 If he wants to spend all of his spare time scouring eBay for good BINs, it's his business. Many collectors would gladly pay the markup rather than spend all their time scouring eBay themselves. Also, he hasn't sold it yet! And he's already explained that he puts high BINs on his games in order to get Best Offers closer to what he feels is fair market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anicetyguy Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I would have kept it at that price, I guess I'll keep looking for Pengo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Beard Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Ok.. I know he is a good standing member here... but why do you guys support his actions when it only cost's the community more $$? Seems to me that most folks around here don't support him. He gets more flak as a seller on these boards then anyone else I'm aware of. And not necessarily without reason, mind you (I've defended him before, as he's sometimes quite reasonable when you send him offers, but his initial prices are often outrageously high. I'd love to pick up some of his Atari Corp. re-releases, for example, but they're almost all priced out of the range of sanity and my offers have all been rebuked. But if he'd rather sit on them than sell them, that's his prerogative.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 no, no! Thats the spare sealed one from his "collection" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Well, he is a free moral agent, able to choose what he'd like to do. The best way to not support this kind of thing is simply to ignore his auctions and not bid on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarimania75 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) the thing i disagree with is that this reseller resorts to emailing the seller and asking for lowball buy it nows when they are posted as regular auctions. I feel this is a moral issue ... you can see that the listing is revised and that the buy it now was either added or lowered. Edited November 10, 2008 by Atarimania75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoncurry Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Well, yeah, that sucks, no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Banning this seller from posting in the marketplace and it's sub forums would sure help this problem go away in more ways than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artlover Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 the thing i disagree with is that this reseller resorts to emailing the seller and asking for lowball buy it nows when they are posted as regular auctions. I feel this is a moral issue ... you can see that the listing is revised and that the buy it now was either added or lowered. And the seller doesn't haven't to honor such requests either. What ever they work out is between them and is no one elses business. It's his, now, to do with as he wants and doesn't "owe" anyone anything. Don't like it, don't buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Banning this seller from posting in the marketplace and it's sub forums would sure help this problem go away in more ways than one. I can agree with this. Same with anyone selling currently available homebrews at ridiculous markups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Whilst I'm not particularly happy with resellers some times, especially when an item i'm interested in "disappears", but I've bought from Sean before and would again if I was happy with the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickybaby Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'd probably have to agree even though many may not. I've been irritated myself when I miss a good bargain. We all enjoy atari and for some it's also a business and not necessarily a reflection of who the person is. It's a personal choice for each of who to buy from and who to boycott and we all have to take care of our family. But most of all and most importantly, if I don't like it I don't buy it. Whilst I'm not particularly happy with resellers some times, especially when an item i'm interested in "disappears", but I've bought from Sean before and would again if I was happy with the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercat Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Am I the only one who see this over and over..and yet this community keeps his pockets full? The Atari 2600 games market is very illiquid. A seller with a boxed Pengo new in box could probably get more than $40 for it from an end-user if he was willing to wait around for the right buyer, and someone seeking to buy a Pengo for $40 or less could do so if he was willing to wait for the right seller, but if a seller wants cash for his game now he really isn't going to want to wait around for an end-user to buy it. Thus, the reseller. If someone wants to get rid of a game in two weeks or less, the reseller will buy it. Probably not offering as good a price as the seller might get if he was willing to hold out for something better, but the seller gets cash in hand now, not in six months. Meanwhile, if a buyer wants a game now, he can get it. He'll pay more than if he's willing to wait around for one to appear at a good price, but he doesn't have to wait. He can play the game in a few days rather than waiting who knows how many months. Without resellers, a lot of rare items on eBay would sell for a fraction of their worth. You might think that's great if you're trying to buy those items, but if it weren't for resellers in the marketplace a lot of people who happen to have rare items may not bother to list them on eBay in the first place. If I have what happens to be a rare game cart, but I thought that putting it on eBay was likely to result in either a $5 sale or no sale at all, why would I bother listing it at all? If that's all I'd get, why not save myself the effort and just throw it in the trash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) Without resellers, a lot of rare items on eBay would sell for a fraction of their worth. You might think that's great if you're trying to buy those items, but if it weren't for resellers in the marketplace a lot of people who happen to have rare items may not bother to list them on eBay in the first place. If I have what happens to be a rare game cart, but I thought that putting it on eBay was likely to result in either a $5 sale or no sale at all, why would I bother listing it at all? If that's all I'd get, why not save myself the effort and just throw it in the trash?That doesn't make much sense to me. I'd rather take my chances. Edited November 11, 2008 by Christophero Sly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickybaby Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 If I have what happens to be a rare game cart, but I thought that putting it on eBay was likely to result in either a $5 sale or no sale at all, why would I bother listing it at all? If that's all I'd get, why not save myself the effort and just throw it in the trash? If you have a rare cart and decided to toss it rather then take $5 on Feebay, please send it to me and I will pay for shipping. Cause I could definitely use the $ even if it's only a couple dollars. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artlover Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Without resellers, a lot of rare items on eBay would sell for a fraction of their worth. Makes no sense at all. Not all resellers arbitrarily jack the prices up to insane levels on stuff. Most just try to make a fair profit for themelves. It also totaly destroys the point of a public auction, in which inherently it's the buyers who set the price. It also seems to piss on sellers who dare to sell their possesions for less then you think they are worth, as if that's any of your business. If I have what happens to be a rare game cart, but I thought that putting it on eBay was likely to result in either a $5 sale or no sale at all, why would I bother listing it at all? If that's all I'd get, why not save myself the effort and just throw it in the trash? And I think the truth comes out. You have something that was/is considered rare and want to keep it that way by malipulating the market rather then allowing free market economics to work and adjust it's value of worth based on it's value of worth. Bottoms drop out and past investments might not be worth anything in the future. Suck it up because that's the way it works. You'll get what it's worth to people. If you choose to believe your "rare" item is worth more then it is, that's your problem. This has nothing to do with resellers. To borrow from my other reply in another thread, this is about hardcore collectors ruining the scene by artifically driving up prices to suit their own desires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwackery Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 If I have what happens to be a rare game cart, but I thought that putting it on eBay was likely to result in either a $5 sale or no sale at all, why would I bother listing it at all? If that's all I'd get, why not save myself the effort and just throw it in the trash? Because Pac-Man is worth $50 and E.T. is worth $100!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 So I can't try to sell my Flashback 2 for $200 next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 To borrow from my other reply in another thread, this is about hardcore collectors ruining the scene by artifically driving up prices to suit their own desires. Artlover, Can you please clarify what you mean by this. I'm not sure I follow. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artlover Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Can you please clarify what you mean by this. I'm not sure I follow. http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=1612528 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApolloBoy Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Speaking of this guy, I've noticed that he's selling some of those First Star 5200 games for over $100 even though you can still buy them brand new from Atari2600.com for $45. Talk about scalping... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Speaking of this guy, I've noticed that he's selling some of those First Star 5200 games for over $100 even though you can still buy them brand new from Atari2600.com for $45. Talk about scalping... The sale of those homebrews for $100 to $200 that we all know where to get for $30 to $50 bucks is all based off taking advantage of the casual retro gamer. The one's that don't know about AtariAge or Atari2600.com,ect. who just have an ol' atari they still like to play but are not part of the online atari "community" we take part in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Is buying a cib pengo for 40 bucks really that far off from it's value? What do they sell for normally ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Is buying a cib pengo for 40 bucks really that far off from it's value? What do they sell for normally ? I don't think it was the purchase price that disturbed the OP. I think it was the difference between it and the resell price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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