Thomas Jentzsch Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 How long is "soon" in Jahfish's mind? Just wondering... Me to: i will get back to everybody over the message board and by email at the weekend ... Now I realize that he didn't say which weekend. I think you will all receive the forms this week and I will also post them here. Then we are at least prepared if nothing happens (again!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaManFan Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I think you will all receive the forms this week and I will also post them here. Then we are at least prepared if nothing happens (again!). By all means Thomas, take this mother-you-know-what-ter to court already. His name is now poison in this community, and I could care less what excuses he would offer here even if he DID post - they're not worth the postage on the packages he (obviously) never shipped. The only dialogue this man will understand is the kind taking place in front of a judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 By all means Thomas, take this mother-you-know-what-ter to court already. Don't worry, words are not going to stop me or delay the process at all. Maybe somebody prefers to believe him without any evidence again, but not me and all others where I got a reaction lately. The clock is ticking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 The clock is ticking... About time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 Since Fish hasn't posted here yet, I think I'll do that for him now. Here is the mail I and a few others got from him at 4/16: hi guys ... first of all i have to apologise 1000 times for beeing so silent. i've had a hard time moving from flat to flat not finding anything that i could pay. my bank account got closed down and and i had a part of my personal items taken away to pay my debts. i try to recover from that at the moment, doing small graphic-jobs for subotage, the site over which you have contacted me. i am not online everyday anymore, so it might take a few days for me to get back. after the exhibition, the people (i rented the space from) have locked away a part of my items and asked for extra money since they were hoping getting more cash with their opening/final-party and this didn't work. i actually able to "free" the games (thrust plus - taken away from me since november) only a few weeks ago and right now i am missing a bunch of stickers (the signed ones by me and thomas) to finalise the packs ... some packs are allready ready to be sent, marcos for example. right now, i am getting together all my homebrew games in order to sell them and to pay the remaining shipping costs from that. i still also have to pay thomas back an advance he gave me ... there still also some unsold/unpayed games, which just made the whole handling more difficult. any way, you'll hear from me these days again. i will post some news on the message board on atariage, to which i haven't been for a long time i must admit. it's not that i wanted to hide, but i could give a definitive answer to all the questions. my email account at atombombe.de was probably victim of an attack from someone unhappy, since it is daily flooded with spammails, and i regularly have problems to check it, some mails get lost after crashes .... so make sure to use this emailaccount (jahfish@subotage.com) for further communication ... russ, marco, and all the others: all your items are still safe and locked away safe now. i will get them as soon as possible and send them soon, and i will add extras to anyone for all the waiting ... i might send some of the boxes together to usa (combine 2-3 shippings) to save a little shipping costs, since these have raised to 29$ (from 20$ before summer 2002, the basis of my calculation). and these 29$ are still without insurance, the whole new pricing politics of the german post is a mess. so i will need a week or two to get all the items together and double-check with the old mails and confirmations, while selling the homebrew-games to pay the costs and refund thomas for his advance and royalties ... i will get back to everybody over the message board and by email at the weekend ... greetings fish BTW: According to my own investigations, the part with the "locked away" stuff is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted April 24, 2003 Author Share Posted April 24, 2003 seems like your typical delaying tactics... doesnt work really well when you are already so delayed u want to vomit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Since probably many of you are eagerly awaiting this, here are the assertion forms. The ZIP-file contains a German and an English translated version, both in PDF format. Since we are going to a German court you must sign the German one(s) (the English ones are only to help you to understand what you are signing ). I'll contact you by email tomorrow for the fax number where to send the forms and I will also give you an email address where you can send any evidences for your claim. I anything is not clear please contact me ASAP. assertions.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Yancey Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 I just had to post once in this thread! Good luck to everyone on getting his money's worth! I wish we had someone to FIX that guy Junie who also posted an excuse letter similar to jah-fish months ago. Junie got me for some cash. Best of luck Thomas!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATARIPITBULL Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 People please stop asking Thomas about Fish, Thomas is not fish's mother and cannot help what fish has done to most of us, you will not get your money back so kiss it good bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 People please stop asking Thomas about Fish, Thomas is not fish's mother... Agreed here. ...and cannot help what fish has done to most of us, you will not get your money back so kiss it good bye. Why so negative? Either our pressure will finally push Fish to react (he did send me another email yesterday) or we will go to court (BTW: Did you get my email ) and claim our money that way. So I am still quite convinced that everybody (who is prepared to go to court!) will get his money back or maybe even finally gets what he payed for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Weis Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 thomas, i'm having a problem gettng the forms printed out (my printer don't work) should get them printed out today and i will FAX them in sunday! take care, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Gill Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I'll contact you by email tomorrow for the fax number where to send the forms and I will also give you an email address where you can send any evidences for your claim. I anything is not clear please contact me ASAP. Thomas, I do not have access to a fax. Would it be acceptable for me to print out and sign the forms, scan them and email a jpg image of it to you? I could also include the paypal transaction detail as well. Thanks, Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 I do not have access to a fax. Would it be acceptable for me to print out and sign the forms, scan them and email a jpg image of it to you? We are currently checking this. IMO it should be ok (at least for the first step), because technically it's quite the same as a fax. But I am no lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 UPDATE: Mailing a scan (JPG prefered!) should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesboulez Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Thomas: You'll have my forms today as jpgs. I got busted at work trying to fax them from their fax machine (Whoops...) this makes things so much easier. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Wow... Disappear for a few months and this is still an issue. I feel for all you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Since Fish seems to prefer not to post anything here, I will post his last message to me (thanks to CPUWIZ for the translation ). I leave it up to you if you believe him or not. The post also finally(!) included the long wanted purchaser list which I also attached (though with all private details e.g. adresses removed). Was that it, no response? Would you possibly help avoid having to go to court and sort things out without it?I am waiting for concrete suggestions from you. Don't take too much time though, I am losing my patience and a lot of other people are too. Of course not, but I told you that I can't sort all of this out overnight. Between jobsearch, running errands, work, renovation, crisis-managment and weekends with my kids, I need to find some time to continue with the carts. Because of that, it's only happening a few at a time. I picked up the homebrews this weekend and took some pictures, now I am finishing up the instructions and I am planning on having them in by Thursday. In the 10 days from now until then, I'll finish assembling the Thrust+ and I'll send them all together. I hope to have all of it done by the end of May and that everything is settled by then. Attached is also (finally) the list of items that went out and the ones that didn't. thrust plus final list: ------ 01 --------- p postpaket ++++++++++ SENT !!!! Thomas Linke cyberscreen + certificate ------ 02 --------- Stephen Colbert ++++++++++ SENT !!!! ------ 03 --------- ++++++++++ SENT !!!! Ubersaurus +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------ 04 --------- p AIRMAIL ++++++++++ SENT !!!! Steve Jacobs NoahsMyBro ------ 05 --------- p surface free ------ 06 --------- p surface SENT BloatedMonkey ------ 07 ---------p air +++ trade +++ prepared (#13) Rick Weis ------ 08 --------- p +++ trade +++ prepared Marco Kerstens marco ------ 09 --------- +++ trade +++ SENT ianoid ------ 10 --------- p surface LOWER +++ trade +++ prepared Joel D. Park ------ 11 --------- p airmail SENT !!!!! Chris Wilkson ------ 12 --------- ex 9! p. airmail SENT !!!! Jim Croniger ------ 13 --------- p surface SENT Kevin Staszkow Amount: $59.00 ------ 14 --------- sending with ricks Russ Perry Jr slapdash ------ 15 --------- p airmail SENT ! Pitfall Harry ------ 16 --------- p surface SENT ! bfstats ------ 17 --------- p surface Carl Eugene Howard (payed by #22) ------ 18 --------- SENT ! AtariKari ------ 19 --------- MO sent to randy 8/2 airmail SENT! BurgelM Money Order $70 (game: $49 + small parcel airmail: $21) ------ 20 --------- p euro SENT! Eric Boghos ------ 21 --------- p surface usa David H DWH one copy of Thrust2002 $49+ insured small surface parcel $27 total=$76.00 ------ 22 --------- P FOR 2 SETS surface godzilla ------ 23 --------- p airmail SENT! (trade - where is my book?) JerryG ------ 24 --------- ??????????????????????????????? Marty (SHIPPING NOT PAYED) BECKERPAMC@aol.com sent mail no adress ------ 25 --------- p airmail SENT Matt Reichert ------ 26 --------- p airmail Philflound CHOSEN SHIPPING OPTION AND TOTAL COSTS: airmail no insurance $70 (right?) ------ 27 --------- p airmail BradVargovick ------ 28 --------- ??????????????????????????????? free ------ 29 --------- p airmail black dog ------ 30 --------- p surface landsmarra@aol.com ------ 31 --------- ??????????????????????????????? now 3 free ------ 32 --------- ??????????????????????????????? now 6 free ------ 33 --------- p airmail ChuckGill chuck@zutco.com ------ 34 --------- + trade Joe Grand ------ 35 --------- payed airmail Waggie the CPA ------ 36 --------- p airmail moycon ------ 37 --------- p airmail les_boulez ------ 38 --------- ??????????????????????????????? free ------ 39 --------- P AIRMAIL (NEW ADRESS COMMING) Brian Prescott ------ 40 --------- SENT matty sent !!!! ------ 41 --------- sending / trade Marc Oberhauser ------ 42 --------- p airmail Rolenta ------ 43 --------- ??????????????????????????????? Andrew (drop out) ------ 44 --------- P SENT lee sent !!!! ------ 45 --------- airmail p Tizoc CHOSEN SHIPPING OPTION AND TOTAL COSTS: small parcel airmail: 21$ ------ 46 --------- p Airmail AtariPitbull ------ 47 --------- ??????????????????????????????? lenno or jens ??? ------ 48 --------- p airmail Rolenta ------ 49 --------- p euro THEJPC ------ 50 --------- p SENT! ren.dhark A few things on this list are a bit confusing (so I immediately asked Fish about, though with no reply yet), but in general it fits to my reconstructed list. And you can see that at least six sets are still available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils advocate Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Hmmmm...... I think I'll jump on one of those six remaining sets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 For some reason, I actually believe Fish at this point, that he will do what he has promised. Of course I didn't order one of these either. Up until this situation arose, he was VERY trustworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizoc Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 ------ 45 --------- airmail p Tizoc CHOSEN SHIPPING OPTION AND TOTAL COSTS: small parcel airmail: 21$ I'm exactly sure whatt that whole thing means, but I paid for game #45 plus the $21 for the airmail shipping. I will be sending some JPEGs in the mail for you Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 I'm exactly sure whatt that whole thing means, but I paid for game #45 plus the $21 for the airmail shipping. I will be sending some JPEGs in the mail for you Thomas. Since Fish did not answer my questions, I don't know either. Please mail the JPEGs to Marc too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted May 15, 2003 Author Share Posted May 15, 2003 For some reason, I actually believe Fish at this point, that he will do what he has promised. Of course I didn't order one of these either. Up until this situation arose, he was VERY trustworthy. give me some of what inky's smokin. you realize it's been ONE FULL YEAR (365 days!) since i coughed up $118?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted May 15, 2003 Author Share Posted May 15, 2003 hell we should be chargin his beyotch ass compounded interest like a credit card company, for the total amount he is in hock, and split the difference after the case is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
san-d-2000 Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 i noticed I am not on the list???? Btw, for me it´s not about the money anymore, I just don´t like getting screwed by someone like Fish. I hope you take him to court soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 This is most likely not his private addreess, but the only one I have: jahfish@subotage.com And don't worry: The courtcase is going to happen soon, we just had to wait for some delayed assertions. Except "something" really unexpected happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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