zylon Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I use a 1571 on my 64c. It's a great design but its' full capabilities are seldom used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Thanks guys, with the comments here I think I am satisfied to definitely keep both, yeah I love the 64 ad both are in excellent condition so yeah I will keep them. Your comments have been great! Oh wow, this is the first I've seen of this post - weird. But anywho... you reached a consensus I would have gone with and that's keeping 'em both. Not just for backup reasons, but because they're both great to own for different reasons which cosmetically, is one of the biggest reasons. Video output may be a little cleaner with the 64c version actually too IIRC. I know side by side, they certainly look different. Colors may also be toned down a bit. Also, some people like the 64c SID better. I know it too sounds a tad different and again, dare I say "cleaner" and louder. Can anyone confirm this? As if the signal to noise ratio is a little better at the expense of dynamic range. In other words, the revised SID sounds "louder" because it seems to bring quieter volumes more to the front... much the same way dynamic range has been crushed/compressed in modern recording (especially CD's - blech). You know... where every instrument sounds as loud as the next? Not cool. Especially to an audiophile. This same phenomenon harkens back to the SNES vs. Genesis argument sound wise. A lot of sheeple thought the Genny sounded "better" because it was louder than the SNES. Nevermind this little thing called distortion that the genital pubic has totally embraced today Edited December 21, 2010 by save2600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zylon Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 My 64c is louder, including any interference noise, but my breadbox one has more vibrant colour when used with AV or monitor. Both look about the same used with RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 I use the 64c (I still have the original one I bought waaay back in the mid 80') only because a few of the keys on the older C64 don't work very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youki Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 My Favorites is the C64G . There are lot of variant of the C64. Here a picture of Commodore machine using the same case in different colors. And the more recent is the G , not the C . (The SID on the G sounds different from previous version , and certain special effect does not sound well in fact (due to volume issues i guess) ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Sorry to bump an old thread, but I wasn't sure if this was mentioned. The 64C has stronger vertical stripes on the background when used with a SCART-cable. I noticed, that with all the breadboxes I've seen, the stripes are more inconspicuous than in 64C. The C128 also has it pretty bad and the stripes are much more noticeable than in regular C64. I've had several 64C's and 128's go through my hands, and they all showed the same symptoms. So in that regard, any PAL-user who plans to use their CRT with a SCART should consider getting the breadbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Sorry to bump an old thread, but I wasn't sure if this was mentioned. The 64C has stronger vertical stripes on the background when used with a SCART-cable. I noticed, that with all the breadboxes I've seen, the stripes are more inconspicuous than in 64C. The C128 also has it pretty bad and the stripes are much more noticeable than in regular C64. I've had several 64C's and 128's go through my hands, and they all showed the same symptoms. Seems to be the norm with these later 80's or second-generation systems (where they re-released the same system). C64c, C128, Atari's XE's, including the XEGS. And I just noticed the stripes on a Genesis Model 2. I bet 3 has 'em as well. Nintendo's 8-bit top loader definitely has 'em and I noticed that back in the day too. WTF is going on here? What kind of circuitry design change would affect all of these so negatively, yet consistently? It's really quite annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zylon Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Cheaper shielding would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Cheaper shielding would be my guess. I thought that might have been part of the equation a little back and as an experiment one day, I encased a C64c mobo with a larger/thicker shield from an A500. No change. And curiously, some breadbox C64's have paper lined foil for their shielding and most all of them look great. Weird stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmel_andrews Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Cheaper shielding would be my guess. I thought that might have been part of the equation a little back and as an experiment one day, I encased a C64c mobo with a larger/thicker shield from an A500. No change. And curiously, some breadbox C64's have paper lined foil for their shielding and most all of them look great. Weird stuff. I thought the problem with Atari XE's was the 'washed out' colours (there again, i do recall hearing that is a colour tuner built into the underside of the XE case somewhere, can't remember where though, you need a small watch screwdriver to use with the tuner though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I thought the problem with Atari XE's was the 'washed out' colours (there again, i do recall hearing that is a colour tuner built into the underside of the XE case somewhere, can't remember where though, you need a small watch screwdriver to use with the tuner though) Carmel, I think you're thinking of the hue adjustment that's accessible with a tiny screwdriver on the underside of the A8's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatta Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I've had several 64C's and 128's go through my hands, and they all showed the same symptoms. I see the same thing with S-video on my NTSC 128. With all the video modders out there, you'd think someone would have come up with a way to fix this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) I first though it was the RF-unit leaking the signal. Then I remembered someone mentioning, that one of the chips was the culprit and that it was hard to determine how to actually fix it as there were a lot of places the signal might get the interference. edit: And of course the signal from the C64 is just regular composite, so it really doesn't matter if you have AV or SCART connection. It's just a norm in Europe to go with the DIN -> SCART as every TV supports it. Edited February 10, 2011 by Finn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatta Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I first though it was the RF-unit leaking the signal. Then I remembered someone mentioning, that one of the chips was the culprit and that it was hard to determine how to actually fix it as there were a lot of places the signal might get the interference. Would it be possible to take the offending chip out of a C128 and replace it with one from a C64? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Would it be possible to take the offending chip out of a C128 and replace it with one from a C64? Unlikely, because the same effect is seen on 64C that should be more compatible with the original 64. Even with C64 -> C64C, you'd pretty much need to change it chip by chip and see if the damn thing even works after that! But I don't see this as a big problem when you can usually find C64's cheap and most people only use them for games so there's no real reason to get any of the other models. Unless you're a collector of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpman1981 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I don't own a C64 but if I'm being honest I would take the original breadbox over the 64C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wongojack Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 6 Year Bump! I don't own a C64 but if I'm being honest I would take the original breadbox over the 64C What are you waiting for - go get a C64 already! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I prefer the C64C purely because that is the machine I found on the side of the road one day. Feels like fate and so I feel quite attached to it (",) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpman1981 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 What are you waiting for Desk Space 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I much more prefer the 64c Keyboard. I read an older post saying they were the same, but I could tell the difference. I absolutely HATE the original 64 keyboard. I prefer the looks of the 64c as well. I actually have the 1541 Ultimate II+ on order and can not wait till it gets here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Holy Necrobump! I originally added that I ended up getting both but reading my original post again just now I see that was not my question. Sadly BOTH have just sat collecting dust as does most of my collection trapped in this weird limbo where I am not in a financial position any longer to add to it nor do I have any spare space left yet at the same time I do not have the motivation to attempt to part with it lol. Well maybe some day I will do something with it all.............. Edited August 28, 2017 by OldSchoolRetroGamer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I like the style of the 64C, but I don't like the color. So breadbin for the win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Many people have painted their C64C with varying results. These days you can even buy newly produced shells in different colours, but those are mostly curiosities on the larger scale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Won't the original motherboard and keyboard work it the new shells? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohoki Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 i like the 64c because it ,matches th color of excellerator plus drives although my 64c does not play the sound of the moondust cartridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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