+Random Terrain Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Once again, I am the only one who can state what my own intentions were. You and the other 5 you are referring to are doing a really good job of outlining your own political views, from what I can see.. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat or anything. I've been watching TV for a lot of years and I also watched FOX News for at least 4 years. I've heard versions of your post come out of many mouths and they all meant exactly what your post meant. We know exactly what you meant because you are 'direct' and don't swirl multiple meanings into your posts, right? You are a straight shooter and shoot from the hip and all that good cowboy stuff. You say what you mean and mean what you say and those words always mean the same thing from them thar people who don't want their country ruined. When I state my point of view, it is purely concepts that I myself REALLY DO believe in, stand behind, and claim complete responsibility for. And Ive done more than explain myself here.. So either take my explanation, or choose to believe I meant something other than what I have said.. It's a damn rediculous argument, if you ask me.. And I am tired of it.. If you really aren't a "I hate them thar commie hippie liberals! Thay is goin' to ruin my country!" type of guy, then you might want to drop some of the buzzwords that Republicans use when they talk about commie hippie liberals. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetset Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 This place is not going to become a steaming pile of socialist crap resembling what the liberal human garbage is trying to do to this country.. Totally uncalled for and a troll post of there ever was one. You should be banned yourself for such an assenine and childish comment. No wonder Al has the P&R forum hidden and censors political discussions. If you think anyone is naive enough to think you weren't trying to bait for a political argument you're as stupid as the comment you made. And you should be banned because I dont like you either.. It's not a matter of who likes who. It's a matter of making a totally political comment trying to start a fight. I'm not the only one to catch on to what you were trying to accomplish, several members commented on your statement. This from a guy with a long history of crap political comments,Political avatars etc..Trying the holier than thou approach wont work. Please give it a rest and return to more Atari related subjects. I dont always agree with MetalGuy but he is direct and you know where he is coming from.Not to mention the contributions to the Atari community. That I can respect. Huh? WTF are you talking about? What political avatar are you referring to? Do I know you or have I put you in your place because of trolling as well that you feel the need to jump in and defend this piece of crap? Or is it just because you agree with his political view that you are posting to me? You could not put a dog in it's place.. You have been arguementative ,political and trolling..as usual I see you miss the message, save it for P&R. Typical Um....ok. Still not ringing a bell as to who you are or what the hell you're talking about. What political avatar are you talking about (or, is asking you that question a second time what you consider argumentative)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Considerind some of the crude language used against Atariski I would think it would be those doing that to Him that would be suspended. atariksi is not God, he just thought he was. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGQuarterly Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I just finished reading this whole thread. Tough call. My '69 Beetle has torsion bar suspension and it's a really rough ride. Gotta love that little thing though. Chris 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Guitarman Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think the point that MG is trying to get across is that the the terms 'socialist' and 'liberal' are not terms that are exclusively 'political', and shouldn't be taken as such, even though society has attached a primarily 'political' meaning to the terms. No different than the term 'gay' meaning 'to be happy' when society, any more, will immediately associate the term with a sexual preference. If you take the politics out of the terms, you have something that means something completely different. Just my $.02 Carry on............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I just finished reading this whole thread. Tough call. My '69 Beetle has torsion bar suspension and it's a really rough ride. Gotta love that little thing though. Chris Leaf springs. Debate over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatohead Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Leaf springs have their merits. My old 73 super beetle had those. It proved to be immune to those larger speed bumps! Just rolled right over them, no issues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubular Gearhead Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think the point that MG is trying to get across... MG used leaf springs right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think the point that MG is trying to get across... MG used leaf springs right? Yes, but the usage of the Holy Leaf Spring does not compensate for their shoddy wiring and overall electric mess under the hood. Electrical problem? You're screwed! MGs sure handled well though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangest Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Ham on rye, suspend the Mayo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think the point that MG is trying to get across is that the the terms 'socialist' and 'liberal' are not terms that are exclusively 'political', and shouldn't be taken as such . . . Did you read what he posted? This place is not going to become a steaming pile of socialist crap resembling what the liberal human garbage is trying to do to this country.. That bit cannot be misinterpreted. There's only one way to take it. Republicans and Democrats have had the keys to the country for decades. They're the only ones with the power to harm this country through bad policies. Even if he's talking about the rare 'liberal human garbage' Republican instead of Democrats who are usually called socialists and liberals by every Republican-leaning talking head on TV since I've been old enough to understand the English language, it's still political. Like I said, many of us fart out little political things here and there. Why try to wiggle out of it? I don't really care, I just think it's weird and doesn't make much sense if he's supposed to be so direct. I don't want him banned. I'd just like his explanation to make sense, but it just looks like octopus ink in the water to me. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogstar_robot Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yes, but the usage of the Holy Leaf Spring does not compensate for their shoddy wiring and overall electric mess under the hood. Electrical problem? You're screwed! MGs sure handled well though. I had a well used Toyota SR-5 for awhile. Basically got the last 20,000 miles out of it. Damn fun tight little car. Had all the handling of the MGs but a perfectly solid Toyota wiring system. Manual tranny? Of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloopy Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 wow this thread is starting to look familiar... but i cant quite place it... and stressed ribbon is my favorite type of suspension... sloopy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGQuarterly Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Well I don't know anything about socialism, human garbage, 8-bit Atari computers, or sock puppet accounts, but what I do know is that if I take a speed bump at anything more than a crawl, I fly up into the roof of my car. So torsion bars can suck it. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatohead Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yep. That's the beauty of the leaf spring! Loved that beetle. Used to run it nice and quick on a lot of roads with those bumps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D. Head Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Well I don't know anything about socialism, human garbage, 8-bit Atari computers, or sock puppet accounts, but what I do know is that if I take a speed bump at anything more than a crawl, I fly up into the roof of my car. So torsion bars can suck it. Chris Are you kidding? I had a '69 Fury that had torsion bars and I never could tell that there was road underneath me. Or curbs, trash cans, anything. Smooth as butter, until you tried to corner faster than 20mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApolloBoy Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yes, but the usage of the Holy Leaf Spring does not compensate for their shoddy wiring and overall electric mess under the hood. Electrical problem? You're screwed! MGs sure handled well though. I had a well used Toyota SR-5 for awhile. Basically got the last 20,000 miles out of it. Damn fun tight little car. Had all the handling of the MGs but a perfectly solid Toyota wiring system. Manual tranny? Of course! An AE86 I assume? I've been looking into one of those when the time comes to get my own car, but it's just so hard to find one that hasn't been molested in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorclu Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (find the direction this thread now talking about car suspensions to be hilarious.) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGQuarterly Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Well I don't know anything about socialism, human garbage, 8-bit Atari computers, or sock puppet accounts, but what I do know is that if I take a speed bump at anything more than a crawl, I fly up into the roof of my car. So torsion bars can suck it. Chris Are you kidding? I had a '69 Fury that had torsion bars and I never could tell that there was road underneath me. Or curbs, trash cans, anything. Smooth as butter, until you tried to corner faster than 20mph. Dude, I run over a small stick and I can feel it. My Other car is a 08 Tacoma, and I could run over a kindergartner and not know it, but in my beetle I feel EVERYTHING. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_boy Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) For me, the most entertaining part of this thread is the news that atarski is apparently a 40-ish guy who double-dipped in this forum as a cross dresser trying to pass for a sweet sixteen. Almost makes up for the political schoolyard pettifoggery that landed midway in. About the ban thing: Albert seems like too much of a nice guy. It's hard to let the hammer down when you're good-natured. Edited January 28, 2011 by johnny_boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sack-c0s Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 sooo... those Atari computers. Anybody here like them? (just a subtle hint...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 In one day, this thread popped up, and I missed it, "Oh My!" [it saddens me to see Atari people removed from these great forums. Me too. It certainly seems it would suggest to those remaining here to behave themselves, especially in a thread discussing people who were just banned. BUT... If you don't like it, then that's just tuff-sh!t for you.. This place is not going to become a steaming pile of socialist crap resembling what the liberal human garbage is trying to do to this country.. This fucker needs to be banned too. This place is not going to become a steaming pile of socialist crap resembling what the liberal human garbage is trying to do to this country.. Totally uncalled for and a troll post of there ever was one. You should be banned yourself for such an assenine and childish comment. No wonder Al has the P&R forum hidden and censors political discussions. If you think anyone is naive enough to think you weren't trying to bait for a political argument you're as stupid as the comment you made. WHat you two fail to realize is that YOU are the one who chooses to associate politics with anything said here.. This thread is about someone who broke the rules.. And I have no sympathy for that.. And people who do have sympathy for it, I choose to refer to as liberal.. I also see this as a large part of the problem with the county I live in and the world at large.. And Im free to state that.. Unless i am hugely mistaken, there is no political party in this country that refers to themselves as "socialist".. The term is however correctly used to describe certain sociological characteristics which flashjazzcat did a pretty good job of describing in his post. If you choose to take offense to what I have said, or associate my statements with political groups, that is your problem.. Not mine.. You are no authority on what "I was trying to accomplish".. I am.. So do us all a favor and stop whining.. You sir are a complete bullshit artist. ....evidently, it does not. Oh, the irony! As far as second-guessing who the proprietors of this site chooses to ban, what's the point? Same thing with people calling for threads to be locked. They're going to control these things how they see fit, after all, it's THEIRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D. Head Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Well I don't know anything about socialism, human garbage, 8-bit Atari computers, or sock puppet accounts, but what I do know is that if I take a speed bump at anything more than a crawl, I fly up into the roof of my car. So torsion bars can suck it. Chris Are you kidding? I had a '69 Fury that had torsion bars and I never could tell that there was road underneath me. Or curbs, trash cans, anything. Smooth as butter, until you tried to corner faster than 20mph. Dude, I run over a small stick and I can feel it. My Other car is a 08 Tacoma, and I could run over a kindergartner and not know it, but in my beetle I feel EVERYTHING. Chris OK, well, I guess we can just say "german-engineered torsion bars can suck it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Wow, for a thread bemoaning people taking the piss and creating unwanted arguments there seems to be a fair few in this rant of a thread that seem to bloody well enjoy doing it. Its full of OT content, personal snipes and nonsense that I'm sure the banned two / one would have been proud to see happening. And at times I swear I'm hearing elite clique type statements, has the NWO infiltrated here C'mon folks, ditch this rather tasteless thread and get back to business enjoy our beloved Atari... Edited January 28, 2011 by Mclaneinc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 You can't judge all torsion bar suspensions based on the experience of a singular torsion bar-equipped car (or type of system). They aren't all equal. It's the design and the way it's set up. A Mopar high performance A-body (smaller car) with a 340 engine had stock .870" diameter bars, whereas a slant 6-equipped car had .810 bars. That alone makes a big difference. On larger cars, like the Mopar B-bodies, they typically used even larger bars as stock equipment. Currently, you can get bars up to 1.03 for the A-bodies (maybe even larger) for increased stiffness and control. And still, the performance of the chosen bars depends on the rest of the suspension setup and how it's adjusted. What sort of bushings and shocks are being used? A big one is whether the car has anti-sway bars front and rear... makes a huge difference. Also, what sort of rear suspension setup? On the stock Mopar leaf springs, the rear axle was offset slightly to the front, which reduced the wheelhop associated with the same type of suspension on other manufacturer's similar designs, and also decreased body roll. Today, the same design is further improved by a slight readjustment of the front leaf spring hanger. Furthermore, back on the front, the functionality of the torsion bars themselves will be greatly affected by adjustments such as camber, toe-in, and ride height (in conjunction with rear ride height). All of these things must be taken into consideration when evaluating a "torsion bar suspension". I hope this can put an end to the discussion of recent suspensions (at least of that particular style). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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