Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Has anyone done a sokoban game for the Atari 2600 yet? I would imagine it's very possible with boulder dash being finished as we speak. If it hasn't been done yet, I would like to take a crack at creating it in assembly language. Sincerely, Primordial ooze Edited September 10, 2012 by Primordial Ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland p Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Is that the same as sokoban? I made a very simple, but playable, version of Sokoban: http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/158712-mini-sokoban-2600/?do=findComment&comment=1964604 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 Is that the same as sokoban? I made a very simple, but playable, version of Sokoban: http://www.atariage....0/#entry1964604 Yep, it was a typo. So i guess there isn't a need for another sokoban then? Sincerely, Primordial Ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland p Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) So i guess there isn't a need for another sokoban then? Mine isn't finished (you can't win a level at this moment) and doesn't include all of the levels. If you like to make a sokoban, I would say go for it. By the way, boxyboy for the turbografx inspired me, it's a great port. I spend a holiday playing boxyboy and dreamed about boxes But I think the game is under-appreciated. Edited September 10, 2012 by roland p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 So i guess there isn't a need for another sokoban then? Mine isn't finished (you can't win a level at this moment) and doesn't include all of the levels. If you like to make a sokoban, I would say go for it. By the way, boxyboy for the turbografx inspired me, it's a great port. I spend a holiday playing boxyboy and dreamed about boxes But I think the game is under-appreciated. Nah, don't want to steal your thunder in case you do decide to finish it someday. Sincerely, Primordial ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LidLikesIntellivision Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Has anyone done a sokoban game for the Atari 2600 yet? I would imagine it's very possible with boulder dash being finished as we speak. If it hasn't been done yet, I would like to take a crack at creating it in assembly language.(...) In Boulder Dash thread someone came with the idea of making Bomberman! That's much more difficult but much more interesting, imho. Just saying. It's here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Has anyone done a sokoban game for the Atari 2600 yet? I would imagine it's very possible with boulder dash being finished as we speak. If it hasn't been done yet, I would like to take a crack at creating it in assembly language.(...) In Boulder Dash thread someone came with the idea of making Bomberman! That's much more difficult but much more interesting, imho. Just saying. It's here. Thing is how would it be done? With 2 sprites, 2 missiles and a ball, it would be difficult to do more then 1 roaming enemy at a time? Sprite 1 = Bomberman Sprite 2 = Enemy Missle1 = Explosion Missile 2 = Explosion Ball = Bomb Playfield = Blocks Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Primordial Ooze Edited September 10, 2012 by Primordial Ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskar42 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Has anyone done a sokoban game for the Atari 2600 yet? I would imagine it's very possible with boulder dash being finished as we speak. If it hasn't been done yet, I would like to take a crack at creating it in assembly language.(...) In Boulder Dash thread someone came with the idea of making Bomberman! That's much more difficult but much more interesting, imho. Just saying. It's here. Thing is how would it be done? With 2 sprites, 2 missiles and a ball, it would be difficult to do more then 1 roaming enemy at a time? Sprite 1 = Bomberman Sprite 2 = Enemy Missle1 = Explosion Missile 2 = Explosion Ball = Bomb Playfield = Blocks Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Primordial Ooze you could make it pvp my uneducated opinion. Edited September 10, 2012 by raskar42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 Has anyone done a sokoban game for the Atari 2600 yet? I would imagine it's very possible with boulder dash being finished as we speak. If it hasn't been done yet, I would like to take a crack at creating it in assembly language.(...) In Boulder Dash thread someone came with the idea of making Bomberman! That's much more difficult but much more interesting, imho. Just saying. It's here. Thing is how would it be done? With 2 sprites, 2 missiles and a ball, it would be difficult to do more then 1 roaming enemy at a time? Sprite 1 = Bomberman Sprite 2 = Enemy Missle1 = Explosion Missile 2 = Explosion Ball = Bomb Playfield = Blocks Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Primordial Ooze you could make it pvp my uneducated opinion. You mean Bomberman vs Bomberman, that would be neat. Only problem left is how i would make the destroyable blocks, since there isn't any objects left to display them? Sincerely, Primordial ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LidLikesIntellivision Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Sprybug managed to put more than one enemy in his Super Mario project. If I'm right, you can duplicate the Sprite, creating copies. In Ed Fryes Halo die at the same time but Sprybug probably just created a new single sprite when one of the enemies (goombas) died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskar42 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) yeah - thought about it and it wouldn't be bomber man exactly, just similar. Edited September 10, 2012 by raskar42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) I know about the sprite copy bit. Thing is it creates duplicates of the same sprite grouped together, not in different positions. Also as stated above, all the sprites have been taken leaving just the missles and ball object. Sprite 1 = Bomberman Sprite 2 = Enemy Missle1 = Explosion Missile 2 = Explosion Ball = Bomb Playfield = Blocks Sincerely, Primordial ooze Edited September 10, 2012 by Primordial Ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LidLikesIntellivision Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I know about the sprite copy bit. Thing is it creates duplicates of the same sprite grouped together, not in different positions. Also as stated above, all the sprites have been taken leaving just the missles and ball object. Sprite 1 = Bomberman Sprite 2 = Enemy Missle1 = Explosion Missile 2 = Explosion Ball = Bomb Playfield = Blocks Sincerely, Primordial ooze I didn't know they must be grouped together I thought they only needed to act as one single sprite, moving together. If it was only the second case, maybe mirroring the screen you could make one going from left to right and another on the contrary... Of couse, even this could harm the gameplay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) I know about the sprite copy bit. Thing is it creates duplicates of the same sprite grouped together, not in different positions. Also as stated above, all the sprites have been taken leaving just the missles and ball object. Sprite 1 = Bomberman Sprite 2 = Enemy Missle1 = Explosion Missile 2 = Explosion Ball = Bomb Playfield = Blocks Sincerely, Primordial ooze I didn't know they must be grouped together I thought they only needed to act as one single sprite, moving together. If it was only the second case, maybe mirroring the screen you could make one going from left to right and another on the contrary... Of couse, even this could harm the gameplay... Mirroring the playfield has no effect on the sprites themselves. I simply allows you to create half of the playfield, which is reflected for the other half of the playfield. Hope that made sense. Sincerely, Primordial Ooze Edited September 10, 2012 by Primordial Ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LidLikesIntellivision Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I know about the sprite copy bit. Thing is it creates duplicates of the same sprite grouped together, not in different positions. Also as stated above, all the sprites have been taken leaving just the missles and ball object. Sprite 1 = Bomberman Sprite 2 = Enemy Missle1 = Explosion Missile 2 = Explosion Ball = Bomb Playfield = Blocks Sincerely, Primordial ooze I didn't know they must be grouped together I thought they only needed to act as one single sprite, moving together. If it was only the second case, maybe mirroring the screen you could make one going from left to right and another on the contrary... Of couse, even this could harm the gameplay... Mirroring the playfield has no effect on the sprites themselves. I simply allows you to create half of the playfield, which is reflected for the other half of the playfield. Hope that made sense. Sincerely, Primordial Ooze Thanks for the explanation. Yes, it makes sense. I need to study Atari programming a bit to be able to help with better ideas... Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 I know about the sprite copy bit. Thing is it creates duplicates of the same sprite grouped together, not in different positions. Also as stated above, all the sprites have been taken leaving just the missles and ball object. Sprite 1 = Bomberman Sprite 2 = Enemy Missle1 = Explosion Missile 2 = Explosion Ball = Bomb Playfield = Blocks Sincerely, Primordial ooze I didn't know they must be grouped together I thought they only needed to act as one single sprite, moving together. If it was only the second case, maybe mirroring the screen you could make one going from left to right and another on the contrary... Of couse, even this could harm the gameplay... Mirroring the playfield has no effect on the sprites themselves. I simply allows you to create half of the playfield, which is reflected for the other half of the playfield. Hope that made sense. Sincerely, Primordial Ooze Thanks for the explanation. Yes, it makes sense. I need to study Atari programming a bit to be able to help with better ideas... Sorry. It's ok, was a very good just not possible due to the atari 2600's limitations. Sincerely, Primordial Ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomberpunk Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 what about... Player0 - P1 Bomberman, copied to P2 Bomberman Player1 - CPU1 Bomberman, copied to CPU2 Bomberman Missile0 - P1 bombs (copies up to x4), P2 bombs (copies up to x4) Missile1 - CPU1 bombs (copies up to x4), CPU2 bombs (copies up to x4) Ball - explosions (or soft blocks if possible) Playfield - indestructible blocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS_Dracon Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) The bomberman can be made using the Boulder Dash kernel, is possible to use 3 colors for the PF grafics, you can make the bricks and explosion with PF only, leaving the players to be players. Actually BD uses blocks/tiles with 4 PF pixels wide, bomberman needs only 2 PF pixels wide for the tiles, witch give you 32 blocks in a row not using PF0 or 36 using PF0. PF0 is often not used because it waste precious time for such small contribution, it's only 4 pixels wide. So i guess there isn't a need for another sokoban then? Mine isn't finished (you can't win a level at this moment) and doesn't include all of the levels. If you like to make a sokoban, I would say go for it. By the way, boxyboy for the turbografx inspired me, it's a great port. I spend a holiday playing boxyboy and dreamed about boxes But I think the game is under-appreciated. I hope you make more levels for this game because it's really fun to play, it's on my Harmony for long time. EDIT : Here is my mockup made in two minutes. It's uses only 2 colors on PF pixels witch is enough for 2 types of blocks and explosion. Edited September 10, 2012 by LS_Dracon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primordial Ooze Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 Player0 - P1 Bomberman, copied to P2 Bomberman Player1 - CPU1 Bomberman, copied to CPU2 Bomberman Missile0 - P1 bombs (copies up to x4), P2 bombs (copies up to x4) Missile1 - CPU1 bombs (copies up to x4), CPU2 bombs (copies up to x4) You mean having two sets of cordinates and drawing the same sprite twice from the two different coordinates? Sincerely, Primordial Ooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdrose Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I have always wondered about that. Space Invaders and Phoenix, for example, have a large number of objects moving at the same time. Must be some tricks to get around the 2600s apparent limitations for objects in motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrofan Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I made a bomberman mockup in 2004: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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