Mendon Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 This looks interesting: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/09/sony-reveals-new-hardware-ps-vita-tv I guess this device coupled with the new redesigned Vita (coming in Oct. to Japan, no date here) means Sony isn't giving up on the Vita just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarrj Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 This could handicap the hell out of some online games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Awesome...I will get it if it ever comes out here. I used to play my PSP games on a big screen and the quality wasn't too bad at all. I still have my Gameboy player for my Gamecube. I love these types of devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBall Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) The Vita TV is a strange duck - almost like an escaped skunkworks project. Some Sony engineers took a Vita and stripped out the controller and display and hooked up a DS3 and a TV thenhad a blast playing PSP games on the bigscreen. It's biggest problem is compatibility with Vita games which use the touchscreen etc. features which don't exist with the DS3 controller. The DS4 controller might provide some additional compatibility, but requiring one might require waiting for the PS4 release - which has been pushed back to to February in Japan. So maybe the Vita TV is Sony's Japanese Christmas present instead of the PS4. IMHO it's biggest advantage is price. $100 (really 10K yen) makes it an impulse buy for many. (Although that price doesn't include the DS3 or memory cards.) However, I suspect a lot of reviews will be "The Vita TV is <negative aspect>, but it's only $100". However, it's possible Sony will listen to these reviews and release an improved version to address some of the complaints. And because others have, I'll mention the OUYA - another $100 console. The big advantage the Vita TV has over the OUYA is the existing software library. But the OUYA is more "open" so will probably appeal more to Indie developers and those already developing for the Android platform. The OUYA will also likely be more favorable to micropayment (aka free-to-play) and advertising supported games. But the Vita TV will appeal more to developers and content providers who want a locked-down platform. Edited September 9, 2013 by EricBall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_lynx1989 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Hmmm,not sure about this gadget..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) It sucks about the touch screens and I wish even more now that the Vita hadn't tried to clone Nintendo's success in that area. But I love things like this for handheld game systems. I much more prefer a console and a controller and only buy handhelds due to their library of exclusive games. I don't buy these for the mobility. I could easily see just ever owning this and never a Vita handheld. I just wish this had a UMD slot for full PSP compatibility. Compatibility with the vast majority of available PSP downloads is nice but a UMD drive would really be something to be excited about and would accomplish everything I want from the PSP & Vita. Instead I'm still stuck using my PSP 3000, my HDMI upscaler, and that awful analog nub to play my UMD library on my HDTV. Wish I could relegate that to just my classic compilations, a handful of UMD movies, and a couple of other games like Outrun 2006 that I bought because they were handheld games that I could lean back and play. Edited September 9, 2013 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I'd snatch on at $95 dollars. Especially if it can be jailbroken. How are you supposed to play all those existing games that require you to rub it up and down your leg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I will probably buy this. I want to play some Vita games but I also don't want to spend $200 on a handheld and I also prefer to play handheld games on a TV if I can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) This has touch screen workaround controls. So games like Uncharted can be enjoyed although I'm sure that casual touch screen minigames and such like on Mobile won't translate very well. But at least things like Uncharted can be played. http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/09/09/you-can-activate-touch-controls-on-ps-vita-tv-by-using-the-sticks/ And I'm hoping that this thing in Japan will have an external UMD drive add-on. The PSP is popular enough in Japan where I think it's a possibility. I'd love to import that and get the perfect device for my entire PSP collection to enjoy it with a gamepad and on a HDTV. Edited September 9, 2013 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Jesus Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The thing that stops me for buying this...is that not every Vita game will work with it, because they don't have the touch controls. How would you play Uncharted?! Doesn't that game use the touch screen for the mini games?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) Read the start of post #9. From what I gathered reading about the Vita Uncharted today since it's one of the main Vita games of interest to me at this time, that workaround should get the job done for the lousy motion controls that were stuffed into it since they sounded very simplistic. And there will be Dual Shock 4 support so the touch pad on that might also be able to be put to good use on this. And with Sony's love of HD updates on the PS3 & Vita from the PS2 and PSP era, I suspect a console port of that along with the new Killzone game if it succeeds like it appears it will are logical continuations of that concept. I wouldn't be shocked if those two see PS3 releases down the road. They're both quality games, are in popular franchises, they're console style experiences, and porting will be easy due to the hardware similarities. So I suspect they will appear on PS3 release schedules one of these days as original PS3 exclusives start to dry up just like how Sony started to mine the PSP well during the later days of the PS2. They both seem too good to leave relegated to the Vita. Edited September 10, 2013 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaUSA Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 While the DS4 has a touch pad, the vita has a touch pad and a touch screen. Some games use both. Will these games be updated for alternative control schemes? Either way, this looks great. I just sold my vita and all the games are still mine as they're digital, so this would be a great replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) The timing of this was interesting. I was just looking up information about a day ago checking up on if there had been any rumors for adding tv/out support to the Vita. Need to do the same with the 3DS and see if my luck holds out. While the DS4 has a touch pad, the vita has a touch pad and a touch screen. Some games use both. Will these games be updated for alternative control schemes? You click L3 or R3 and use the analog stick as a pointer for the front touch screen. Not sure if R3 handles the rear touch pad or simply duplicates what L3 does. A lot of games that utilize the rear touch pad seem to use it as a couple of large extra buttons from what I know about the Vita. So perhaps the unused L2 & R2 shoulder triggers of the PS3 gamepad handle that? Doesn't sound perfect but should be good enough for something like Uncharted. Edited September 10, 2013 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarrj Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The timing of this was interesting. I was just looking up information about a day ago checking up on if there had been any rumors for adding tv/out support to the Vita.Need to do the same with the 3DS and see if my luck holds out. You click L3 or R3 and use the analog stick as a pointer for the front touch screen.Not sure if R3 handles the rear touch pad or simply duplicates what L3 does. A lot of games that utilize the rear touch pad seem to use it as a couple of large extra buttons from what I know about the Vita. So perhaps the unused L2 & R2 shoulder triggers of the PS3 gamepad handle that?Doesn't sound perfect but should be good enough for something like Uncharted. The rear touchpad has been all but useless from what ive encountered. Dungeon hunter uses it but it is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaztee Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Really like the look of this. Wonder if it will be importable upon release? I know Rees the option of an 8gb card & ds3 in Japan, but think it will be much better when it's patched for the DS4! A wise move by Sony me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) I'm usually fairly anti-sony these days ever since the geohot\linux\retribution business, but jeez a $100 micro playstation... Okay, yeah, they'll have me on launch day, and eventually they'll probably get a handheld purchase from me too. Online gaming is free on vita, right? Bravo on coming up with a product that interests me. I spent *well* over that $100 for a video scaler and controller setup for my psp so I could play it on the big screen. I'm on travel now. stuck with this ouya. Sure do wish I had some decent racing games with me... Edited September 10, 2013 by Reaperman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMaddog Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 My sole reason for wanting one... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQxo9uuCMAELvpl.jpg:large 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 My sole reason for wanting one... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQxo9uuCMAELvpl.jpg:large Aw man! I'm totally sold now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarrj Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Vitas and psp's are not region locked right? I would think you could register an imported unit here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaUSA Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Vita is technically region free, but if you want to dload dlc or psn games you need to have another memory card and do a factory reset to switch. Then again that's how it used to be. I think I heard some people posting a few months ago that said they patched it so that's either no longer possible or harder to do. Btw, those (including myself) who were wondering about compatibility issues because of the control schemes, IGN posted and said certain games that use both touch inputs wouldn't be available for compatibility at launch. These games include titles like Uncharted and Gravity Daze. That kinda sucks, but ah well. $100 vita/steaming TV device, can't complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algus Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Hmm, I am definitely intrigued. I mainly played my PSP via TV out. Unfortunately most of my games are not the digital versions so I would have to do some rebuying to get full use out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I kinda forgot 2 aspects: A. This'll have the latest updates to break homebrew and emulators: so I can't use this like a soft-modded XBOX. B. Some games will still require the gee wizz features that don't work on a normal joystick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) I've been looking at vita games ever since I heard about this device. I'm shocked at how little there is for me on vita right now. So far the best I've seen is Persona 4--which I already have. Any other good turn-based rpgs? Looks like racing games are limited to nfs and wipeout. I do note that Minecraft is a confirmed future vita release, which is the ouya's most wanted game (and currently not set to release on the system). I'd expect vita tv to replace ouya as the reigning 'microconsole' pretty quickly. Actually just announcing the system seems to have done that. Edited September 10, 2013 by Reaperman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) IGN posted and said certain games that use both touch inputs wouldn't be available for compatibility at launch. These games include titles like Uncharted and Gravity Daze. I wonder if the PS4 Dual Shock controller will resolve that? The touch pad could serve as the rear touch pad of the Vita which I assume is the issue here. Some games will still require the gee wizz features that don't work on a normal joystick. Since these things are designed from the ground up to be played as if they were a console game on your tv, tv/out solutions have never been perfect over the years. The PSP's windowed and off aspect ratio output due to the lack of a scaler and differently proportioned pixels, the Game Boy Player, motion sensor Game Boy games on a Game Boy Player, etc. Due to their nature there always have to be some compromises that keep it from being a 100% replacement for a dedicated handheld. But even handhelds in the same line have these issues such as DS games that utilized the GBA slot for accessories when played on a DSi/DSiXL for example of something that doesn't work. I've been looking at vita games ever since I heard about this device. I'm shocked at how little there is for me on vita right now. Looks like racing games are limited to nfs and wipeout. Apparently the best area for the Vita is with games from independent publishers and the like. If you're looking for quality exclusives, I guess the way to go is to actually pay attention to games with names that you don't recognize since that's where it's thriving the most rather than with the established franchises from bigger companies. And off hand, I know that the Vita has a few motorcycle racers, F1 2011, WRC 3, Modnation Racers, a very poorly received Ridge Racer iteration, Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, a nice top down racer also available on the PS3 called Motorstorm RC, and likely more. If you're out for exclusives like I am and probably the majority that are interested in this are, there doesn't seem to be a lot. But perhaps take a look at PSP downloads? This will offer the best way to enjoy those with a gamepad on a HDTV. Edited September 10, 2013 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) I've been looking at vita games ever since I heard about this device. I'm shocked at how little there is for me on vita right now. So far the best I've seen is Persona 4--which I already have. Any other good turn-based rpgs? Looks like racing games are limited to nfs and wipeout. I do note that Minecraft is a confirmed future vita release, which is the ouya's most wanted game (and currently not set to release on the system). I'd expect vita tv to replace ouya as the reigning 'microconsole' pretty quickly. Actually just announcing the system seems to have done that. Most of the good stuff is the digital stuff like Pixeljunk Monsters etc. rather than physical games in my opinion. (including PSP games and Mini games etc) Here's a helpful link of PSP\PS1\Mini games playable on the Vita and hot to get them: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/281768-complete-list-of-pspminispsone-games-playable-on-vita/ Field Commander is a turn based tactical game like Advance Wars that I think is underrated (PSP). Here's a top 10 Vita game list I mostly agree with: http://www.ign.com/games/editors-choice/vita I've seen other lists but I played some of those game on there and they are good. I think they are missing Gravity Rush.... Edited September 10, 2013 by cimerians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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