Bunsen Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 "Write a game in 10 lines of BASIC!" For the fourth time this is the motto of the programming contest on the occasion of the retro computer meeting NOMAM. In the years 2011 and 2013 the BASIC Tenliners compo was a small internal competition and the programs were made live at the meeting. In contrast, in 2014 contributions from all over the world came. And only one contribution was produced live at the meeting. Over ABBUC and AtariAge forums the incredible amount of 40 games from Australia, USA, Chile, Poland, United Kingdom and Germany rolled in. This year we want to give the competition a new impetus by opening it; both in terms of legal systems, as well as with regard to authorized BASIC dialects. Legal systems: Atari 8-Bit Commodore 64 Commodore 128 Schneider CPC Authorized BASIC dialects: Atari BASIC (A8) Turbo BASIC XL (A8) Altirra BASIC (A8) OSS BASIC XE (A8) OSS BASIC XL (A8) Commodore BASIC V2 (C64) Simon's BASIC (C64) Commodore BASIC 7.0 (C128) Locomotive BASIC 1.0 (Schneider CPC) Locomotive BASIC 1.1 (Schneider CPC) Other BASIC dialects and computer systems are approved under the condition that the contributions will be presented by the programmer on the original hardware at the NOMAM (04.11.) in Lübeck. Even if the fun of programming and the competition should be in the foreground, but a few rules are needed. Contributions are accepted in three different categories: Category "PUR":Program a game in 10 lines (max. 120 characters per logical line, abbreviations are allowed)Category "EXTREM":Program a game in 10 lines (max. 256 characters per logical line, abbreviations are allowed)Category "LIVE":On 04/11/15 a programming assignment is made, which must be resolved within 2 hours Further rules:- No reloading of data or program parts- Call of machine language programs are prohibited- POKEing is allowed (eg change the DL, PM-graphic)- Deadline: Saturday 04/11 at 9 pm (Central European Summer Time) (Remote posts: Wednesday 04/08, 9 pm)- Voting: Saturday 04/11 at 11.30 pm, then awarding- Together with the program a text file should be submitted with the program description and instructions- The programmers agree to the publication of the programs, the description and the instructions by the organizer- Only physically Attendants may vote- Remote contributions, however, are permitted provided they are received by Wednesday, 04/08 at 9 pm at GKANOLD-ät-GMAIL dot COM 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikor Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 @Bunsen: where we can send progs? Here, to atariage phorum - or via e-mail? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3163625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Sikor, as you like. I will check regularly AtariAge and ABBUC forums and of course also my Email account. Some people sent me their contributions per mail other attached it here. I think, both is okay. I don't know if there will be any interest at other retro systems, I will inform you... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3163634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I forgot how to compile a Turbo Basic program to make it a disk file instead of a save state! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3163635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 LOAD "D:TEST.BAS Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3163690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Sorry SAVE "D:TEST.BAS Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3163691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Beitrag/Entry #1: Chase Platform: Atari Language: Turbo BASIC XL Author: Rockford Category: PUR 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3163978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Sorry SAVE "D:TEST.BAS I got an "error - 146 not impl." Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikor Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Load Turbo Basic XL with DOS, not only as XEX file. And remember - use unprotect disk (or option R/W in emulator). You can use this atr image: http://atarionline.pl/utils/4.%20Programowanie/Turbo%20Basic%20XL//Turbo%20Basic%20XL%201.5.atr Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 And remember - use unprotect disk (or option R/W in emulator). I think that's the point. R/O (read only) is standard option in Altirra. You have to change it to R/W (read/write). I remember this was my common mistake using this emulator first times. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 There were some discussions with the Amstrad and the C64 community (cpcwiki.eu and forum64.de). Issue 2 of "further rules" were misleading. So it will be changed to: - the 10 lines of the programm can not contain self-written machine code Unfortunately I am not able to edit the first post. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Probably a good idea to publicise it at Lemon64.com as well - it's probably the biggest C64 forum. I'll try and get in again, hopefully with more entries, and take advantage of TBXL this time. C64 would be really interesting given the 80 char/line limit and somewhat simpler Basic. But I suspect we could implement similar tricks to A8 to cram more into each line. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikor Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Issue 2 of "further rules" were misleading. So it will be changed to: - the 10 lines of the programm can not contain self-written machine code Good point. I remember, when I organized "5zł compo" at atarionline.pl - Magnus (Zenon Mikołajczyk) code all in ain assembler after REM lines In 10 lines - as here (I'll must find disk with this some time and put it here for good example of this problem). 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Beitrag/Entry #2: MicronoidPlatform: CPCLanguage: Locomotive BASICAuthor: Markus HohmannCategory: EXTREM 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I'm using Atari800Win PLUs 4.0. It's already set to R/W. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikor Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 o.k. I have it (thx to Miker). 2 edition of 5zł compo, use turbobasic XL (included). Attention! This is not entry to 10 lines compo this time! In first atr was used machine program written by Magnus - I put it as example!5zl_compo.atr 5zlcompoII.atr.atr Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Oh good, this is back! I was wondering. My a8 died last year, so I may request some real hardware testing over in the dev forum, but I've got a solid chunk of vacation coming up around mardi gras again that I can sit down and hopefully put something nice out. I'm thinking something more 2-player this time, but I have to come up with a creative way to do that using little space. If the Commodore/Amstrad folks really get in on it, there could be quite a few entries, indeed. I'm pretty interested in seeing how the basics stack up against eachother. How you guys find time to do anything at your gathering besides judge 10-liners is beyond me. Edited January 28, 2015 by Reaperman 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3164947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 is X=USR(ADR("hLVd")) type thing allowed to call SIO or other OS routines allowed? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3165145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenjennings Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 is X=USR(ADR("hLVd")) type thing allowed to call SIO or other OS routines allowed? Nope. No machine code. That string contains machine code. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3165152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirx Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 You can possibly though use the dirty DOS trick - set up dosvec and call DOS. No self-written machine code. A different question - screenshots only pre meeting this year? Best, pirx Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3165281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozar Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Any limits on controllers? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3165638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 A different question - screenshots only pre meeting this year? It is up to you. Last year some people sent me their programs other posted it here. I think both is ok. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3166085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Any limits on controllers? No. I'm thinking about using my android phone as touch controller... 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3166087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 I've prepared a website with the rules and the newest entries. Too difficult to keep multiple 8 bit forums up to date... http://gkanold.wix.com/homeputerium#!10liners/c15hi 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3166088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogien Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Where is the source for these posted? How do we know they are 10 lines? Plus I want to type them in for fun Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234337-basic-ten-liners-contest-2015/#findComment-3166637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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