Savetz Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Many thank Kevin. That title is probably pretty rare. Any chance to get a raw low level dump? Did you mention you have a Kroyflux? Btw. This is related to Virtuoso Desktop Studio I guess? Seems to be the same company (ETA). Maybe I can get a Kyroflux dump. I have one, and I could probably even find it. I never figured out how to use it. Maybe I'll try agian. Yes, same company. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Many thank Kevin. That title is probably pretty rare. Any chance to get a raw low level dump? Did you mention you have a Kroyflux? Btw. This is related to Virtuoso Desktop Studio I guess? Seems to be the same company (ETA). OK, I think I got the Kyroflux working — but I don't know how to use it for Atari disks. I did: dtc -fvirt.img -i0 and it worked for a while and spit out 168 files with names like virt.img83.1.raw, virt.img83.0.raw, virt.img82.1.raw. Is that what I want? Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 A demo version of Virtuoso with some sample files was available in Antic (on the disks at least), April 1988. There is a file named VPLAY.OBJ, this is the demo version of Virtuoso and there are four files without extender (all have a length of 52 sectors), these are the demo files... To me Virtuoso seems to be similar to Movie-Maker, i.e. one can generate animations + sound/music with it. Alas, the demos are very simple and cheap, not sure if the full version is better... ANT8804.ATR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 OK, I think I got the Kyroflux working — but I don't know how to use it for Atari disks. I went with dtc -f".\%name%\track" -k2 -g0 -i0 -r5 for single sided 40 track stepping (using a 1.2MB HD drive) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 OK, I did this: dtc -p -fVirtuoso\track_ -g2 -y -i0 -i2 -k2 -b-8 ...then this: a8rawconv Virtuoso\track_00.0.raw Virtuoso.atx ...which told me: Reading KryoFlux track stream set (96 TPI)... Bad sector size! Bad sector size! Bad sector size! Bad sector size! Bad sector size! Writing ATX file: Virtuoso.atx WARNING: Track 39, sector 7: 1 phantom sector found. WARNING: Track 39, sector 6: 1 phantom sector found. WARNING: Track 39, sector 17: Deleted sector found. WARNING: Track 39: Missing sectors: 5. 1 missing sector, 2 phantom sectors, 1 sector with errors ...and I got this: Virtuoso.atr (Rename that to .atx — stupid forum won't let me upload .atx) ...which boots but hangs like its failing the copy protection check. So — now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Can you upload the raw dump to some place, at least temporary? Note that you are dumping both sides with that command line. Does it have something on the back side? And I think it won't work unless you have a special modified drive. But don't think this should affect the dump of the top side. It should be ok regardless. Edited November 5, 2016 by ijor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Bad sector size! This looks like it came from an older version of a8rawconv that didn't ignore certain bits in the sector header correctly -- was fixed in 0.92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Phaeron is surely correct. I was going to say the same thing. You should probably be able to get a good ATX with a newer version of his a8rawconv. But we would like to get the raw dump anyway, if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 This looks like it came from an older version of a8rawconv that didn't ignore certain bits in the sector header correctly -- was fixed in 0.92. I shied away from 0.92 because I didn't see a Mac version, as with some of the earlier ones. Will see if it works on my Mac. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I shied away from 0.92 because I didn't see a Mac version, as with some of the earlier ones. Will see if it works on my Mac. ...and it doesn't. Here's the raw dump though. Virtuoso raw.zip -Kevin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Can you upload the raw dump to some place, at least temporary? Note that you are dumping both sides with that command line. Does it have something on the back side? And I think it won't work unless you have a special modified drive. But don't think this should affect the dump of the top side. It should be ok regardless. Raw dump posted. I dumped both sides because I have no idea what I'm doing. It's a single-sided disk in a single-sided drive. -Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Raw dump posted. I dumped both sides because I have no idea what I'm doing. It's a single-sided disk in a single-sided drive. Dump is ok, many thanks. If your drive is really single sided, it is quite a rarity! Are you sure? VirtuosoSamplerAtx.zip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Dump is ok, many thanks. If your drive is really single sided, it is quite a rarity! Are you sure? No. I just thought PC drives were single sided and, as stated, have no idea what I'm doing. Finally being able to use this Kyroflux will make things better as I archive disks. I bought it in 2011 or so. phaeron, will you compile a Mac version of 0.92? -Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 No. I just thought PC drives were single sided and, as stated, have no idea what I'm doing. Use the command line I posted above... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) well reality is starting to bite...was hoping against the odds that 3-in-1 College & Pro Football (Lance Haffner Games) might turn up here - but i'm thinking it's definitely one that's as rare as hen's teeth Edited November 5, 2016 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) All the Valpar stuff is needed (except the valForth 1.1 disk, as mentioned above), and I haven't seen a dump for pns-Forth either. AtariOnline has an ATR for QS Forth 1.0. It looks to be a good dump, but I've only tested it minimally at this point. OK, now that I have it working I'm giving the KyroFlux a workout. The attached ZIPs have raw dumps of pos Forth 1.5, ValDOS I (two copies), ValDOS II, QF Forth 1.0, TextWizard 1.3, and ValForth_Turtle_and_valGraphics_and_Advanced_Floating_Point_Routines (two copies) Savetz_Kyroflux_dumps_from_Bard1.zip Savetz_Kyroflux_dumps_from_Bard2.zip Next: do the following need Kyroflux dumps? C/65, Mac/65, On-Line Systems JawBreaker, Datasoft Zaxxon, Synapse Shamus. I assume no because common, but might as well ask. And seriously — I have thousands of disks. How can I check myself to see which are already properly imaged? Kevin Edited November 6, 2016 by Savetz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Next: do the following need Kyroflux dumps? C/65, Mac/65 C/65, if you have a version other than 1.0 (not sure if any others ever existed). Mac/65, if you have any versions other than what can be found here: Mac/65 @ AtariWiki [Edit: ...or that have any versions of Bug/65 included on the disk other than 2.0.] Edited November 6, 2016 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Here's the KyroFlux raw for Tiny Tots by Athena software http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-400-800-xl-xe-tiny-tots_5409.html The disk was amazingly squeaky and loud in the drive even after I cleaned the media. I wonder if this will work. Someone let me know. TinyTots.zip Kevin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Thank you for dumping these titles, Kevin! And seriously — I have thousands of disks. How can I check myself to see which are already properly imaged? I've been steadily working on a website that can be used to browse the preservation database. It's just been slow going but I'm making continual progress. I'm hopeful I can make a minimal version public in the next few weeks. Even though the preservation torrent has several hundred titles and the database its generated from has a few thousand, the actual number of titles considered "preserved" is fairly small. The current definition of "preserved" is confirming that two or more dumps are identical and at least one of those is a flux dump for disks or a WAV file for cassettes. The disk-based titles that fall into the "preserved" category are listed below. We would be extremely grateful for any additional dumps you are willing to contribute. Likewise, if you need any information or raw dumps from us, please let me know. 221B Baker Street Datasoft 747 Landing Simulator APX A.E. Broderbund Software Abuse Softsmith Ace of Aces Accolade Advanced MusicSystem APX Agent U.S.A. Scholastic Aliants: The Desperate Battle for Earth! TDC Distributors Alternate Reality - The Dungeon Datasoft Archon Electronic Arts Archon II: Adept Electronic Arts Astro Chase First Star Software Astro-Grover Hi-Tech Expressions AtariWriter 80 Atari B-1 Nuclear Bomber Avalon Hill Bandits Sirius Software BASIC Utility Diskette APX Beach Head II Access Software Bismarck - The North Sea Chase Datasoft Bruce Lee Datasoft Canyon Climber Datasoft Caverns of Mars Atari Choplifter! Broderbund Software CodeWriter Dynatech Microsoftware Inc. Conan Datasoft Crosscheck Datasoft Crossfire Sierra On-Line Crusade in Europe MicroProse Software Crush, Crumble and Chomp! Epyx Despatch Rider Mastertronic DOS 2.5 Atari DOS XE Master Diskette Atari Eidolon, The Epyx ElektraGlide Mastertronic Essex Synapse Software Eternal Dagger, The SSI Field of Fire SSI Flight Simulator II subLOGIC Flight Simulator II: Japan Scenery Disk subLOGIC Flight Simulator II: Scenery Disk #2 subLOGIC Fooblitzky Infocom Fort Apocalypse Synapse Software Frogger Sierra On-Line Galahad and the Holy Grail APX Gambler Keypunch Software Gateway to Apshai Value-U-Line Gauntlet Mindscape Ghostbusters Activision Golden Oldies: Volume 1 Software Toolworks Goonies, The Datasoft Guardian!, The Computer Software Services Gulf Strike Avalon Hill Gunslinger Datasoft Hacker Activision HardBall! Accolade Hi-Res Adventure #2: Wizard and the Princess Sierra On-Line Hi-Res Adventure #4: Ulysses and the Golden Fleece Sierra On-Line Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The Infocom HomePak Batteries Included Jumpman Epyx Jumpman Junior Value-U-Line Karateka Broderbund Software Kennedy Approach MicroProse Software Kikstart Mastertronic Knights of the Desert SSI Lancelot Level 9 Computing Last V8, The Mastertronic Leader Board Access Software Leaps and Bounds MUSE Software Living Daylights, The Domark Ltd. Lode Runner's Rescue Synapse Software Los Angeles SWAT Mastertronic M.U.L.E. Electronic Arts Mail Order Monsters Electronic Arts Mask of the Sun, The Broderbund Software Master Diskette 3 Atari Master Diskette II Atari Maths for Fun Educational Software, Inc. Mercenary: Escape from Targ Novagen Software Mickey in the Great Outdoors Atari Mindwheel Synapse Software Montezuma's Revenge BCI Software Montezuma's Revenge Parker Brothers Mr. Do! Datasoft Music Construction Set Electronic Arts Napoleon in Russia Datasoft One-on-One Electronic Arts Pac-Man Datasoft Pawn, The Rainbird Phantasie SSI Phantasie II SSI Phobos APX Picnic Paranoia Synapse Software Plaque Man BCI Software pm ANIMATOR Tronix Software Pogoman Computer Magic Ltd. Pole Position Datasoft Preppie! Adventure International Print Shop Graphics Library 3 Broderbund Software Printer's Devil BCI Software Protector Synapse Software Quest of the Space Beagle, The Avalon Hill Quest, The Penguin Software Questprobe #2: Spider-Man Green Valley Publishing Questron SSI Quiz Master APX Racing Destruction Set Electronic Arts Rescue on Fractalus! Activision S.A.M. (Software Automatic Mouth) Don't Ask Software Saracen Datasoft Sargon II Hayden Software Sargon III Hayden Software Serpent's Star, The Broderbund Software Seven Card Stud APX Seven Cities of Gold, The Electronic Arts Shamus Synapse Software Shooting Arcade Datasoft Silent Service MicroProse Software Six-Gun Shootout SSI Sneakers Sirius Software Space Eggs Sirius Software Space Games Keypunch Software Spelldiver Scholastic Spitfire 40 Avalon Hill Spy Hunter Sega Starbowl Football Gamestar Starquest: Rescue at Rigel Epyx Summer Games Epyx Suspect Infocom SynCalc Synapse Software SynCalc Templates Disk Synapse Software SynFile+ Synapse Software System Master Diskette - DOS XL Indus Systems Telly Turtle Carousel Software Tigers in the Snow SSI Trivia Quest Royal Software Turtle Tracks Scholastic Ultima II: Revenge of the Enchantress Sierra On-Line Ultima III: Exodus Origin Systems Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar Origin Systems Universe Omnitrend Wargame Construction Set SSI WarGames Coleco Warship SSI Wizard's Crown SSI Word Flyer Electronic Arts XE Term Atari Edited November 6, 2016 by Farb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Here's the KyroFlux raw for Tiny Tots by Athena software The disk was amazingly squeaky and loud in the drive even after I cleaned the media. I wonder if this will work. Someone let me know. The disk has about half a dozen sectors damaged at the start. It might be possible to recover though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 Oh, and here's a8rawconv 0.92 that I compiled for the Mac... a8rawconv-0.92.zip 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Something is wrong with the Silicon Dreams (1986)(Firebird)(GB) image... Game 2 (Return To Eden) does not display the graphics. Game 3 (Worm In Paradise) does not even load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Crack for Virtuoso Play Mode Sampler Virtuoso Play Mode Sampler v2.1 (1985)(Enhanced Technology)(US)p.atr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 The disk was amazingly squeaky and loud in the drive even after I cleaned the media. Kevin Just to share my experience here, this can be caused by two things (not to say there aren't other possibilities). The first one is the disk could be dried out. This type of squeak is pretty unique sounding and not nearly as harsh. It was suggested here to use a lubricating solution to help with this situation but I have yet to try it as I don't have any. I've been able to successfully dump many disks even when this noise occurs and will find that the drive head is still clean after the dump. The second, and what I see more commonly, is that "gunk" has accumulated on the drive head. It may only take a few revolutions for it to happen with particularly bad disks. The "gunk" is often dirt or mold but can even sometimes be the disk material itself coming apart. I've had this happen even after cleaning the media with alcohol. This noise (more of a squeal than a squeak) is usually more loud and piercing than the above one. If you let the dumping process continue, you're likely doing physical damage to the disk. I will immediately abort the dump when I hear this, clean the drive head, and start over. If the squeal starts up again, rinse and repeat. It can sometimes take several attempts, but I've been able to salvage some pretty bad disks using this approach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voy Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) What about the many titles that were released only in ED? E.g. Change, Adax, Android, Artefakt Przodków, Bang! Bank!, Barbarian, Captain Gather and MANY others... For the time being there is no possibility to convert them to ATX format. Also I found a protected DD disk in my collection - a Top Archiver (TOPAR) on the side A (and with Runiver program on the side B) by Krzysztof 'Banfisoft' Wyszatycki from Wrocław. It would be great if the new specification of the ATX format would provide support for ED and DD densities... I attached a Kryoflux dump of the side A made with unmodified 48tpi drive. Here is log from the AUFIT v1.3 by Jean Louis-Guérin (DrCoolZic): Protection analysis for D:\Atari\TOPAR.raw T00.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T00.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T00.0-S6 FZS Fuzzy Sector T01.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T01.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T01.0-S1 FZS Fuzzy Sector T02.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T02.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T02.0-S17 FZS Fuzzy Sector T02.0-S2 DCE DATA CRC Error T03.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T04.0 LGT Long Track - 6520 bytes T04.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T04.0-S8 FZS Fuzzy Sector T05.0 LGT Long Track - 6520 bytes T05.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T06.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T06.0 SHT-DBI Shifted Track with Data Beyond Index T06.0-S2 FZS Fuzzy Sector T07.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T07.0-S12 FZS Fuzzy Sector T08.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T08.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T09.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T09.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T09.0-S1 FZS Fuzzy Sector T10.0 LGT Long Track - 6524 bytes T10.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T10.0-S1 FZS Fuzzy Sector T11.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T11.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T11.0-S4 FZS Fuzzy Sector T12.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T12.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T12.0-S7 FZS Fuzzy Sector T13.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T13.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T14.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T14.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T15.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T15.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T15.0-S16 FZS Fuzzy Sector T16.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T16.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T17.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T17.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T17.0-S14 FZS Fuzzy Sector T18.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T18.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T18.0-S17 FZS Fuzzy Sector T19.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T19.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T20.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T20.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T21.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T21.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T21.0-S7 FZS Fuzzy Sector T22.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T22.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T23.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T23.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T24.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T24.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T25.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T25.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T26.0 LGT Long Track - 6519 bytes T26.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T27.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T27.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T28.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T28.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T29.0 LGT Long Track - 6520 bytes T29.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T29.0-S15 FZS Fuzzy Sector T30.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T30.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T31.0 LGT Long Track - 6520 bytes T31.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T32.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T32.0 SHT-DBI Shifted Track with Data Beyond Index T32.0-S2 FZS Fuzzy Sector T33.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T33.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T34.0 LGT Long Track - 6522 bytes T34.0 SHT-DBI Shifted Track with Data Beyond Index T34.0-S8 FZS Fuzzy Sector T35.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T35.0 SHT-DBI Shifted Track with Data Beyond Index T35.0-S3 FZS Fuzzy Sector T36.0 LGT Long Track - 6523 bytes T36.0 SHT-DOI Shifted Track with Data over Index T36.0-S6 FZS Fuzzy Sector T37.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T37.0 SHT-IOI Shifted Track with ID Over Index T37.0-S9 FZS Fuzzy Sector T38.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T39.0 LGT Long Track - 6521 bytes T39.0 SHT-DBI Shifted Track with Data Beyond Index T39.0-S15 FZS Fuzzy Sector Top Archiver (TOPAR) - KF 48tpi dump.rar Edited November 6, 2016 by voy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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