Shift838 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I am wondering if anyone would think this would work with the SCSI card for the TI.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCSI2SD-Micro-SD-to-SCSI-adapter-/301629597996?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463a86692c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I am wondering if anyone would think this would work with the SCSI card for the TI.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCSI2SD-Micro-SD-to-SCSI-adapter-/301629597996?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463a86692c Gone, but another is up here eBay Auction -- Item Number: 301629677041 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I am wondering if anyone would think this would work with the SCSI card for the TI.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCSI2SD-Micro-SD-to-SCSI-adapter-/301629597996?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463a86692c It might work, I bought a similar device for a CF card and it didn't work. You could always return it as not working since it's ebay. You'd have to pay return shipping, though. Gazoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Gazoo, do you know the size limit of the WHT SCSI DSR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 "should work" I used a scsi-ide bridge on my amiga 2000, then used a sdcard to ide on that, and then a microsd to sd adapter in that.. works great i have scsi-ide bridges on arcadeshopper.com for sale as well Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Gazoo, do you know the size limit of the WHT SCSI DSR? Size limit of a disk, I assume? That would be 248meg. Although you can use much larger sized disks, they will only format to 248meg. The DSR is 64k, and not all of it is used, if that's what you were asking. Gazoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift838 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 After doing some more research on this product I found the person that actually is doing the developing and it's for a SCSI2 drives and not SCSI So it probably would not work I am assuming with our SCSI card. http://shop.codesrc.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Size limit of a disk, I assume? That would be 248meg. Although you can use much larger sized disks, they will only format to 248meg. The DSR is 64k, and not all of it is used, if that's what you were asking. Gazoo I meant disk size. I think I have a 120MB disk in the system now and it is failing slowly. Plus very loud: SCSI drives are often loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 After doing some more research on this product I found the person that actually is doing the developing and it's for a SCSI2 drives and not SCSI So it probably would not work I am assuming with our SCSI card. http://shop.codesrc.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=52 Essentially the same thing. Just that SCSI2 introduced fast and wide modes. As long as it is narrow it should work just fine. Even if not, there is a chance you can get a good wide-to-narrow adapter. Been doing this with Amiga and Sun for two decades. One thing to note about the wide-to-narrow adapters is that you want one which terminates the unused lines. Otherwise all sorts of bad voodoo may occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift838 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 i currently have a EZ135 and a WD 250mb drive and I was thinking of going SD as they are less moving parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Vorticon Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Anybody still selling SCSI cards for the TI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 After doing some more research on this product I found the person that actually is doing the developing and it's for a SCSI2 drives and not SCSI So it probably would not work I am assuming with our SCSI card. http://shop.codesrc.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=52 The WHT and Snug SCSI cards support SCSI1 & SCSI2. Gazoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Follow the links from that web page and it will eventually take you here, which is an excellent rundown on all of the possible SCSI-1 (and 2) adapters out there. It also identifies how to use some of them with a SASI controller (and one is even designed to natively support SASI!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Follow the links from that web page and it will eventually take you here, which is an excellent rundown on all of the possible SCSI-1 (and 2) adapters out there. It also identifies how to use some of them with a SASI controller (and one is even designed to natively support SASI!). soo... would that work with the personality card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 The one that operates in SASI mode just might (it isn't the adapter that was on eBay though--it was a different one identidied in the total list of adapters from multiple sources). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 The one that operates in SASI mode just might (it isn't the adapter that was on eBay though--it was a different one identidied in the total list of adapters from multiple sources). they want ￥13800 for it.. that's like $2200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 That's actually about $120, as the Yen is just under 120 to the dollar at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 That's actually about $120, as the Yen is just under 120 to the dollar at the moment. ahh i put that into google and it converted wrong i guess.. 13800 Chinese Yuan equals 2224.05 US Dollar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 It is in Japanese Yen--not Chinese Yuan. It must have misinterpreted the symbol for the currency (or more than one country is using the same symbol, so you have to figure out the correct context before making the conversion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckoba Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) I've used a bunch of the ACARD-based IDE<->SCSI adapters in various gear (these converters were very readily available here in Tokyo ten years ago), and they're hit-and-miss on hardware compatibility. It's not driver-dependent, it appears to depend on something hardware-side that hits early in the host-to-target commo protocol negotiation. They're no good on a SparcStation 10/20 (WD33C93, both wide and narrow, Solaris and *BSD). Worked okay on Sun IPX and IPC (same chipset, should have been same drivers). Good on Mac 680x0 gear (personally tried SE/30), also good on an Amiga 3000 as long as the bus was terminated on both ends. Edited May 16, 2015 by ckoba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I have nothing but Acards in my gear: Amiga 4000 with CyberStorm MKIII for a DVD-RW, Adaptec 2940UW on x86 Solaris for an SSD, and on an Axil 320 (Sparc 20 clone) for an SSD. One thing to watch for is some Acards are ONLY compatible with ATAPI devices. The one on my 4000, for instance, which is why it has a SATA DVD-RW rather than an SSD. I have a Sparc 20 with a real SCSI drive that I have considered replacing. Interesting that the Acard will not work there but will with an IPX. (My IPX needs a new powers supply, anyway -- I am thinking about putting it up for sale since I have not touched it in probably five years.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Any interest in a SCSI to IDE converter with a 3 to 6 gig 2.5 Hard Drive referenced in this FAQ for Sparcbooks: http://www.unixhub.com/SB-FAQ.html? I have used these with my macs. I purchased one for my Atari STacy but it provides parity and STacy does not, so I have this available. Sale or Trade? :-) Bama I have nothing but Acards in my gear: Amiga 4000 with CyberStorm MKIII for a DVD-RW, Adaptec 2940UW on x86 Solaris for an SSD, and on an Axil 320 (Sparc 20 clone) for an SSD. One thing to watch for is some Acards are ONLY compatible with ATAPI devices. The one on my 4000, for instance, which is why it has a SATA DVD-RW rather than an SSD. I have a Sparc 20 with a real SCSI drive that I have considered replacing. Interesting that the Acard will not work there but will with an IPX. (My IPX needs a new powers supply, anyway -- I am thinking about putting it up for sale since I have not touched it in probably five years.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckoba Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I was quite disappointed that none of my ACARDs would work in my SS20 -- it's a nice rig, quad Ross HyperSPARC processors and a couple of HME/SCSI SBUS modules. The stock 72-gig shoebox drives sound like low-flying aircraft; I had wanted to replace at least the boot drive with something less noisy, but no joy. This with with the ARC760-B as used by the AztecMonster and the much older "CATS" chip on the CHR-35INT2 (I have no idea if the latter was ever available outside Japan). Both the onboard and SBUS controllers had the same issue (timeouts during handshake). The host chipsets are NCR53Cxx variants, not the 33C93 I mistakenly listed above, sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 @Bama: First off, a Sparc notebook is pretty damn cool. Secondly, he mentions that some Apple notebooks use this adapter, but does not mention which (darn it.) Lastly, my interest right now is only curiosity -- I would like to see a 2.5" IDE with a SCSI adapter on it, but right now I do not have a practical purpose for it. (Although, it might fix my problem with Solaris 8 panics using a 128GB IDE SSD...) @ckoba: I am glad you brought up the AztecMonster: that is actually what I am using the in Axil 320. I completely forgot that I sold off an Acard (kicking myself, in hind-sight) to get one of the AMs just for this unit, but damn if I cannot find the purchase to tell if I got it on eBay or bought it direct from a seller in Japan. I suspect as SCSI falls more and more into relative obscurity, we will start to see more fancy stuff coming out to support the old-codger-ware like we run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckoba Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I sure wish folks that truly cared about keeping old iron running would open up the design/production specs for hardware like this. It wouldn't cut into their profits to a noticeable degree (how many Chinese fabs are going to do ten-thousand-plus runs of a nanoPEB on spec?), and it'd ensure that designs are improved and don't die when the originator loses interest. SCSI<->non-SCSI is a wonderful general example. I've had to discard (and in Japan, that means paying several hundreds of dollars in disposal fees) a bunch of old/neat gear (SGI 4D/Indigo/Indy/O2/Octane, VAXen, and a *lot* sun4[cmu]) because I couldn't justify paying eBay shipping costs to replace dead drives, and the ACARDs would freak in interesting ways. If a SCSI<->ATAPI converter were to be implemented in FPGA so that it could be debugged when it didn't work right, then we (I) wouldn't have to get rid of otherwise working gear. Relating this back to TI, it's really a shame that the CF7/nanoPEB specs aren't available. The TI virtually *requires* a PEB to do anything useful. The target audience is limited. The CF7/nanoPEB is available only through a Belgian website with a six-week lead time. It's unreliable (CF card-via-IDE-bridge compatibility). It doesn't play well with onboard 16-bit RAM expansions. It seems to screw with Gazoo's XB2.7 suite. It needs debugging ... but that's not going to happen unless someone with a lot more spare time than I do decides to trace out the PCB, hope the Xilinx isn't fused against dumping, and publishes their work. It would be wonderful if Someone were to make a nanoPEB-like device design freely available. It would only benefit the community. Example is the Hexbus 74LS379 cartridge board, which (as near as I can tell) encouraged development of the '378 board, the ATMega board, and the board for the battery-backed RAM/EA combo. Um, rant over. Sorry. That got away from me a bit there. It's been a *long* week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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