Knimrod Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Has anyone else seen this? https://twitter.com/KevinSavetz/status/654837470157139968?s=04 (my apologies if this is old news) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Cool! The wife so wants to see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccofonic Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 https://archive.org/details/AtariStarRaidersSourceCode 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Cool - I just downloaded the 195 Meg file with scanned JP2 images. It's from striped paper and the listing is fairly low quality printing so might be troublesome to OCR. Though for that sort of thing a set of Photoshop macros or similar would be a must have. Alternate to that, we could just team up, split the thing and type it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Thank you, Kevin!!!!!!!!! Allan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Team up, split, and type.. And everyone checks another's work. Maybe a template should be set up? I didn't know Star Raiders went through 25+ revisions before stopping at 25.1 -- that decimal is so small and looks like noise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 A quicker way might be to just throw the original Rom into IDA Pro. Set the labels then edit in the comments from the scans. Could speed it up by a huge amount. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Here you go, the Star Raiders source code, complete with comments. View in browser or download TIFFs. https://archive.org/details/AtariStarRaidersSourceCode There's a project to convert it to editable text on github. https://github.com/XioNYC/StarRaiders- they need more people to help out. -Kevin 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Thanks so much - this is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playermissile Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 A quicker way might be to just throw the original Rom into IDA Pro. Set the labels then edit in the comments from the scans. Could speed it up by a huge amount. A github user ran the ROM through a disassembler and began to reverse engineer the source. I forked that to try to work on speeding up the explosions: https://github.com/robmcmullen/Atari8bit_StarRaiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Wow, that's awesome! I'm so glad this is being preserved for posterity. Truly one of the great games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Looks like its posted up, here is the complete .lst file from the original sources off of the Atari Mainframes: http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/8bits/400800/games/starraiders.zip Curt 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Z Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) Looks like its posted up, here is the complete .lst file from the original sources off of the Atari Mainframes: http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/8bits/400800/games/starraiders.zip Curt Curt, do you have details on the cross assembler that atari used? It's referred to as 'Atari CAMAC' in the file, was that an in house creation by atari, or was it a third party tool that they used? I was curious (if it was an atari in house thing) if you had a copy of the assembler itself, and knew what it ran on? I think it'd be interesting to setup an emulator of the DEC mini's that atari was using, and reproduce the compilation techniques that atari originally used. EDIT: guess CAMAC was for a DG system instead, regardless I'm willing to learn to set it all up to get the 'real atari experience,' at least in emulation, if you can find a copy of the program. Edited October 18, 2015 by Joey Z 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Looks like its posted up, here is the complete .lst file from the original sources off of the Atari Mainframes: http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/8bits/400800/games/starraiders.zip Curt I was trying to convert the source to be ATASM friendly. I ran into a big problem. A lot of the lines seem to be truncated. The biggest issue is with tables (see below). from lines beginning at 5237 BE2F GPOINT: ; TABLE OF GRAPHIC POINTERS: BE2F 01111F2B35 DB 1,PHGRF1-PHGRAF,PHGRF2-PHGRAF,PHGRF3-PHGRAF: BE34 3D757A DB PHGRF5-PHGRAF,DKGRF4-PHGRAF,DKGRF5-PHGRAF BE37 010D151B21 DB 1,ZYGRF1-ZYGRAF,ZYGRF2-ZYGRAF,ZYGRF3-ZYGRAF: BE3C 25292B DB ZYGRF5-ZYGRAF,ZYGRF6-ZYGRAF,ZYGRF7-ZYGRAF BE3F 2D DB GBASER-ZYGRAF BE40 3841363600 DB GBASR1-ZYGRAF,GBASR2-ZYGRAF,GBASR3-ZYGRAF,G: BE47 7E DB GBASEM-PHGRAF BE48 8E9DAAB4 DB GBASM1-PHGRAF,GBASM2-PHGRAF,GBASM3-PHGRAF,G: BE4C BC7B7A DB GBASM5-PHGRAF,GBASM6-PHGRAF,DKGRF5-PHGRAF BE4F 47 DB GBASEL-ZYGRAF BE50 525B505000 DB GBASL1-ZYGRAF,GBASL2-ZYGRAF,GBASL3-ZYGRAF,G: BE57 43 DB DKGRAF-PHGRAF BE58 53616C75 DB DKGRF1-PHGRAF,DKGRF2-PHGRAF,DKGRF3-PHGRAF,D: BE5C 7A757A DB DKGRF5-PHGRAF,DKGRF4-PHGRAF,DKGRF5-PHGRAF BE5F 01111F2B35 DB 1,PHGRF1-PHGRAF,PHGRF2-PHGRAF,PHGRF3-PHGRAF: BE64 3D757A DB PHGRF5-PHGRAF,DKGRF4-PHGRAF,DKGRF5-PHGRAF [/code] Notice that some of the lines end with a colon. That's where the text has been cut. Does there exist a scanned copy of the Star Raiders source code? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 @a8isa1 - scanned version is here https://archive.org/details/AtariStarRaidersSourceCode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 The problem with the AtariMuseum listing is that it's not actually the source but is the output from an assembly run. But I should think with the combined resources that are available a properly commented and working source could be created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I've never seen an assembler use ORG like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) @a8isa1 - scanned version is here https://archive.org/details/AtariStarRaidersSourceCode Thanks, Kevin! It's interesting that the compiler directives in the scanned source look like the ones of MAC/65 (and ATASM). That other assembler (CAMAC?) isn't hard too figure out. I just wanted see if I could get it to compile, a little exercise for me. I don't have the chops to fix the missing bits nevermind understand the code. I'm sure somebody will do it and probably in the near future. There seems to be a lot of interest in tweaking some things in this classic. -SteveS Edited October 18, 2015 by a8isa1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenjennings Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I was trying to convert the source to be ATASM friendly. I ran into a big problem. A lot of the lines seem to be truncated. The biggest issue is with tables (see below). from lines beginning at 5237 BE2F GPOINT: ; TABLE OF GRAPHIC POINTERS: BE2F 01111F2B35 DB 1,PHGRF1-PHGRAF,PHGRF2-PHGRAF,PHGRF3-PHGRAF: . . . BE5F 01111F2B35 DB 1,PHGRF1-PHGRAF,PHGRF2-PHGRAF,PHGRF3-PHGRAF: BE64 3D757A DB PHGRF5-PHGRAF,DKGRF4-PHGRAF,DKGRF5-PHGRAF [/code] Notice that some of the lines end with a colon. That's where the text has been cut. Does there exist a scanned copy of the Star Raiders source code? This looks like the output of assembly, not the source, so the line truncation could be an artifact of the assembler itself and not a problem with the copy/scan. maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 It's definitely assembler output. Normally assemblers would at least show the output in the columns on the left but even that is truncated. You can see how many bytes were dropped from the address change though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 It's definitely assembler output. Normally assemblers would at least show the output in the columns on the left but even that is truncated. You can see how many bytes were dropped from the address change though. Worst case you can grab the bytes from the disassembly or with a hex editor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 The scanned printout seems to have complete data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) The scanned printout has bad guys named after Klingons and the assembler output names them after Zylons. *edit* The graphics data appears to have changed along with the Klingon to Zylon name. Edited October 18, 2015 by JamesD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 The scanned printout has bad guys named after Klingons and the assembler output names them after Zylons. *edit* The graphics data appears to have changed along with the Klingon to Zylon name. Actually, I was just in the wrong place in the code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) This assembles with the assembler used by CC65.No promises I fixed everything but I took care of a lot of it. *edit* I've already fixed some things. There were some missing bytes in some tables.Right now I've run into an issue with .dbyt, it's not putting bytes in little endian order or the original assembly wasn't.*edit*.word in place of .dbyt fixes it. I'll upload the fixed version in the next post. Edited October 18, 2015 by JamesD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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