+MrFish Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 VERY, VERY nice resource set. It has everything I actually wanted to have in one place, and easily accesible. Cheers! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) For anyone who may have already visited the just-added section for EnvisionPC earlier today: I've added a bookmarked PDF manual, so you may want to revisit if that's something you're interested in, since I won't be making a separate Update-page entry for just the manual. EnvisionPC Edited November 30, 2017 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) So, carrying on from the discussion in the "Mr. Do - Improvements" thread about converting my site to something that can be viewed on Atari-based web browsers... What are the Atari browsers being used by people currently, and what are their capabilities? I know the list of supported tags is going to be small, but what are they? At least, we have <p>, <br>, and <a>; what else have we? Does <a> support downloading files? Can anyone point me to a spec? Edited January 28, 2019 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsc Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Hi! So, carrying on from the discussion in the "Mr. Do - Improvements" thread about converting my site to something that can be viewed on Atari-based web browsers... What are the Atari browsers being used by people currently, and what are their capabilities? I know the list of supported tags is going to be small, but what are they? At least, we have <p>, <br>, and <a>; what else have we? Does <a> support downloading files? Can anyone point me to a spec? For the menu problem, I would simply add this to the CSS: @media only screen and (max-height: 800px) { /* For small screens: */ table.Navigation:hover td { display: table-cell; } table.Navigation td { display: none; } } That means that on screens with less than 800 pixels of height, the navigation subtitles is hidden until you hover the cursor over the corresponding header. To have the current menu page visible, you should add a different class to the active one, it is not possible with pure CSS. I think that designing for the Atari 8bit and modern browsers is easy if you use only CSS and a simple HTML, you could have a table-less menu with <UL> and <LI> elements and show that as a table in the CSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 serious computerist website left frame needs a scroll bar or something so we get to it all or some other such solution... The Menu area will now scroll when any of its content is out of view in a browser window. However, I've chosen NOT to display any scrollbar for the Menu area. What does this mean? 1. You will need a mouse with a scroll wheel, or some other type of device capable of scrolling content without the use of a visible scrollbar. 2. For devices, such as a mouse, the pointer will need to be somewhere in the Menu area in order for the Menu area to scroll. The normal content area will still have a scrollbar and scroll as usual. However, if content is off screen in the Menu area, the pointer will need to be in the normal content area in order for the normal content area to scroll (with an exception, which should become clear upon usage). This should work in all browsers (FireFox, Explorer 10+, Chrome, Safari, Opera). I've tested it in all except Chrome. If there are any issues, please let me know. Note: If you've been to the site recently enough, you may need to clear your cache in order for the new CSS scolling Menu area additions to be recognized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) scroll bars appeared on both the left side and right side, both work correctly. I am now able to see all of menu and content. Works great. Edited January 29, 2019 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) scroll bars appeared on both the left side and right side, both work correctly, for both menu and content. Works great. What version of Firefox are you running? Edited January 29, 2019 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) on this machine I run the Extended support releases... for the wifes machine.. I run whatever the latest and greatest comes down from their site. I am glad it knows my laptop does not have a scroll wheel, if I plug one in maybe it will hide the bars. Edited January 29, 2019 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 For the menu problem, I would simply add this to the CSS: @media only screen and (max-height: 800px) { /* For small screens: */ table.Navigation:hover td { display: table-cell; } table.Navigation td { display: none; } } That means that on screens with less than 800 pixels of height, the navigation subtitles is hidden until you hover the cursor over the corresponding header. To have the current menu page visible, you should add a different class to the active one, it is not possible with pure CSS. I think that designing for the Atari 8bit and modern browsers is easy if you use only CSS and a simple HTML, you could have a table-less menu with <UL> and <LI> elements and show that as a table in the CSS. I doubt that any Atari 8-bit browser is currently doing much more than very simple HTML, with NO CSS. If you're referring to the problem _The Doctor_ was talking about, in modern browsers (menu items off screen and not accessible), the problem should be fixed already. I'm not a fan of pop-out menus (or drop-down, for that matter) in web browsers at all. Thanks for the suggestion, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) on this machine I run the Extended support releases... for the wifes machine.. I run whatever the latest and greatest comes down from their site. I am glad it knows my laptop does not have a scroll wheel, if I plug one in maybe it will hide the bars. I think the reason you're seeing the scrollbar in the menu is due to the version you're running. Older versions of Firefox do not have support for the extension that will allow hiding a scrollbar. This, however, is not an intended feature. But, if it works for you, then no problem. So, for those using older versions of Firefox, the menu will be scrollable and have a scrollbar, but this is not as intended. Please upgrade to the latest (I think v63 and beyond support the extension), in order to view the site as intended. Edited January 29, 2019 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsc Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Hi! I doubt that any Atari 8-bit browser is currently doing much more than very simple HTML, with NO CSS. :-) Yes, this is why I think that a site that uses simple <UL> and <LI> (with the CSS set to display as a table) has a better chance of working in the 8-bit (that would ignore the CSS) and at the same time looking good on modern browsers. If you're referring to the problem _The Doctor_ was talking about, in modern browsers (menu items off screen and not accessible), the problem should be fixed already. I'm not a fan of pop-out menus (or drop-down, for that matter) in web browsers at all. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Yes, I saw your solution after I wrote the post, I think is good. I spent a little time looking if it is possible with pure CSS to add a little arrow to the bottom to show that the menu could scroll (if not shown completely) but I don't think it is possible. I also dislike pop-up menus in web pages, my solution was more like "hide/show" content than pop-up, as the menus keept its place. Hhve fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Yes, this is why I think that a site that uses simple <UL> and <LI> (with the CSS set to display as a table) has a better chance of working in the 8-bit (that would ignore the CSS) and at the same time looking good on modern browsers. Possibly, but I would rather have a separate version of the site that's more optimized for 8-bit machines (to cut down on load time, processing time, etc.). So, I'll want to do something that is extremely bare-bones -- at least until something appears on the Ataris that is capable of handling more. Yes, I saw your solution after I wrote the post, I think is good. I spent a little time looking if it is possible with pure CSS to add a little arrow to the bottom to show that the menu could scroll (if not shown completely) but I don't think it is possible. Good point -- especially without a scrollbar appearing. I'll have to look into what might be possible. I also dislike pop-up menus in web pages, my solution was more like "hide/show" content than pop-up, as the menus keept its place. If you look at my post, I was calling it "pop-out" menus; at least that's what I call them. I was just adding to the discussion that I also don't like "drop-down" menus as well. Anyway, it's a valid suggestion, it's just one of a number of things that I'm purposely avoiding. Edited January 29, 2019 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 I should also note here that having the menu scroll is just a temporary solution to a problem that already has a planned solution for the long-term. As note elsewhere in this thread, the site will eventually cater directly to more screens and devices. This is just a temporary means to allow better access to the desktop machine layout for some devices with smaller screens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) I know some people on AA were searching for a manual to Chipmunk before; DLH's Commodore Archive (great site for all systems, btw) posted up a copy today. I've bookmarked the manual and put it up on the Serious Computerist, along with disks for v1.0 and v3.04. Chipmunk Edited February 18, 2019 by MrFish 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I know some people on AA were searching for manual to Chipmunk before; DLH's Commodore Archive (great site for all systems, btw) posted up a copy today. I've bookmarked the manual and put it up on the Serious Computerist, along with disks for v1.0 and v3.04. Chipmunk Do you mind if I ad this to Atarimania? Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 Do you mind if I ad this to Atarimania? Feel free Allan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 The scrollbar works for me. I'm using Firefox 52.9.0. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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