Major_Tom_coming_home Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I recently picked up a functional tested working Macintosh SE on Ebay for $60 shipped. It does not have a hard drive, and I would like to add one using the cheapest method possible (it's only a $60 computer after all). On youtube the 8-Bit guy tried to install an SD to SCSI adapter on the exact same model but he couldn't get it to work. 20 Megabyte 50 pin Apple SCSI drives are stupid expensive for what you get. 80 pin SCSI drives don't seem to work with an adapter, but what about a 50 to 68 pin adapter along with a SCSI 68 pin HDD? I'm linking the adapter and HD I'm looking at as well as the Ebay auction for the computer. Any other advice about installing / formatting the hard drive and installing an OS (which I don't have) would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Adapter I am looking at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Pin-Female-to-68-Pin-Female-Internal-SCSI-Adapter-NEW-/232491126550?hash=item36218d0f16:g:GZIAAOSwAydZvf8C 68 pin hard drive to use with 50 pin adapter - would it work???: http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Pin-Female-to-68-Pin-Female-Internal-SCSI-Adapter-NEW-/232491126550?hash=item36218d0f16:g:GZIAAOSwAydZvf8C This is the SE I bought from Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Apple-Macintosh-SE-M5011-working-computer-HD-not-included/122733012365?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H454 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I recently picked up a functional tested working Macintosh SE on Ebay for $60 shipped. It does not have a hard drive, and I would like to add one using the cheapest method possible (it's only a $60 computer after all). On youtube the 8-Bit guy tried to install an SD to SCSI adapter on the exact same model but he couldn't get it to work. 20 Megabyte 50 pin Apple SCSI drives are stupid expensive for what you get. 80 pin SCSI drives don't seem to work with an adapter, but what about a 50 to 68 pin adapter along with a SCSI 68 pin HDD? I'm linking the adapter and HD I'm looking at as well as the Ebay auction for the computer. Any other advice about installing / formatting the hard drive and installing an OS (which I don't have) would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Adapter I am looking at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Pin-Female-to-68-Pin-Female-Internal-SCSI-Adapter-NEW-/232491126550?hash=item36218d0f16:g:GZIAAOSwAydZvf8C 68 pin hard drive to use with 50 pin adapter - would it work???: http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Pin-Female-to-68-Pin-Female-Internal-SCSI-Adapter-NEW-/232491126550?hash=item36218d0f16:g:GZIAAOSwAydZvf8C This is the SE I bought from Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Apple-Macintosh-SE-M5011-working-computer-HD-not-included/122733012365?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 No on the adapters - you need male to male. They cost 2 - 3 times as much. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HPDB68-Female-to-IDC50-Male-SCSI-3-to-SCSI-1-Internal-Adapter-AD-S27-/292156304323?hash=item4405df6bc3:g:XM0AAOSw6YtZR2WS Also, any apple disk tool software wont even recognize any non-apple hard drive. Like all apple scsi have a pic/sticker of an apple on them. 68 to 50 adapters are use on some macs already - My 7300 uses one. Also like a 2gb limit for older stuff. But to be honest, your going down a rabbit hole with this. You will spend more money in the long run by trying to "save" with old electronics. This guy got the SCSI2SD to work on an se: http://appletothecore.me/files/scsi2sd_mac_se_solid_state_drive.php His problem - to use non-apple drives (which the sd drive is), you have to use a hacked version of drive setup to install a driver. Probably the reason 8-bit coulden't get his to work. Read this - http://lowendmac.com/2007/format-any-hard-drive-for-older-macs-with-patched-apple-tools/ Note, you need a mac to patch the software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towmater Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Surf City Lido can be used to avoid the "finding the hacked version" conundrum, the sd card should be set up on a modern pc first, to create four 2GB partitions - which I think is the max for System 7 on an SE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamgroot Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Your best bet for getting a hard drive on the cheap is to buy another old Mac. A Centris or a Quadra have 256 Mb hard drives that will work in a Mac SE. I had one of each, but since they were basically the same computer, but the Quadra had more Ram and slightly faster, I stripped the Centris of the hard drive and upgraded my SE that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Given the number of Mac posts appearing in the Apple II area, maybe there should be a Mac area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Tom_coming_home Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Your best bet for getting a hard drive on the cheap is to buy another old Mac. A Centris or a Quadra have 256 Mb hard drives that will work in a Mac SE. I had one of each, but since they were basically the same computer, but the Quadra had more Ram and slightly faster, I stripped the Centris of the hard drive and upgraded my SE that way. Would a HD from a Power Mac G4 Work? If so, what kind of Adapter do I need to install it in a SE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Tom_coming_home Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 No on the adapters - you need male to male. They cost 2 - 3 times as much. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HPDB68-Female-to-IDC50-Male-SCSI-3-to-SCSI-1-Internal-Adapter-AD-S27-/292156304323?hash=item4405df6bc3:g:XM0AAOSw6YtZR2WS Also, any apple disk tool software wont even recognize any non-apple hard drive. Like all apple scsi have a pic/sticker of an apple on them. 68 to 50 adapters are use on some macs already - My 7300 uses one. Also like a 2gb limit for older stuff. But to be honest, your going down a rabbit hole with this. You will spend more money in the long run by trying to "save" with old electronics. This guy got the SCSI2SD to work on an se: http://appletothecore.me/files/scsi2sd_mac_se_solid_state_drive.php His problem - to use non-apple drives (which the sd drive is), you have to use a hacked version of drive setup to install a driver. Probably the reason 8-bit coulden't get his to work. Read this - http://lowendmac.com/2007/format-any-hard-drive-for-older-macs-with-patched-apple-tools/ Note, you need a mac to patch the software. I do have a Power Mac G4, would that allow me to patch the necessary software? Could the hardrive from a G4 be installed in the SE? If so, what kind of scsi adapter would be required? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Tom_coming_home Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 would this be the drive I need (along with some kind of adapter I assume). My concern is that I don't think my SE can run 7.6 but presumably I can reformat it? Thanks http://www.ebay.com/itm/800MB-Apple-Int-HARD-DISK-DRIVE-for-Mac-OS-7-6-Centris-Quadra-Mac-LC-580-LC-630-/282678426039?hash=item41d0f279b7:g:cYoAAOSwrFJZxV6v Your best bet for getting a hard drive on the cheap is to buy another old Mac. A Centris or a Quadra have 256 Mb hard drives that will work in a Mac SE. I had one of each, but since they were basically the same computer, but the Quadra had more Ram and slightly faster, I stripped the Centris of the hard drive and upgraded my SE that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H454 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 would this be the drive I need (along with some kind of adapter I assume). My concern is that I don't think my SE can run 7.6 but presumably I can reformat it? Thanks http://www.ebay.com/itm/800MB-Apple-Int-HARD-DISK-DRIVE-for-Mac-OS-7-6-Centris-Quadra-Mac-LC-580-LC-630-/282678426039?hash=item41d0f279b7:g:cYoAAOSwrFJZxV6v From what I can find, no. Thats an IDE. This would be your best / easiest option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-QUANTUM-PRODRIVE-LPS-3-5-50-PIN-SCSI-250MB-HARD-DRIVE-APPLE-BRANDED-/232517755354?hash=item36232361da:g:A9sAAOSwRkRZ29Yz Your might find these link helpful too: http://www.ccadams.org/se/ http://www.ccadams.org/se/hard_disk.html http://www.obsolyte.com/faq/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamgroot Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 would this be the drive I need (along with some kind of adapter I assume). My concern is that I don't think my SE can run 7.6 but presumably I can reformat it? Thanks http://www.ebay.com/itm/800MB-Apple-Int-HARD-DISK-DRIVE-for-Mac-OS-7-6-Centris-Quadra-Mac-LC-580-LC-630-/282678426039?hash=item41d0f279b7:g:cYoAAOSwrFJZxV6v Looks like this guy is listing these wrong. PowerMacs (Macs with 4 digits and up to the G3 and G4) take these IDE drives. Others have also mentioned it, but what you need is a 50-pin SCSI. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H454 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Some of the 68040 mac were the first to use ide and in some of first ppc, I thought it was wrong too. Apple hardware is confusing for even people that have experience with it, like me. Plus, I forgot everything I about them from 15 years ago and now have to relearn it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I have used a 68 to 50 pin adapter on a lc2 and it worked ... Dunno about the se I'm not keen on taking it apart Maybe over the weekend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Tom_coming_home Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 Thanks, I just purchased the drive you linked to. Do I need anything like cables, scsi terminator, etc. to get it working? It's going to be installed in place of the original hard drive that was removed. From what I can find, no. Thats an IDE. This would be your best / easiest option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-QUANTUM-PRODRIVE-LPS-3-5-50-PIN-SCSI-250MB-HARD-DRIVE-APPLE-BRANDED-/232517755354?hash=item36232361da:g:A9sAAOSwRkRZ29Yz Your might find these link helpful too: http://www.ccadams.org/se/ http://www.ccadams.org/se/hard_disk.html http://www.obsolyte.com/faq/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H454 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 You shouldn't need any extra hardware, unless you missing something originally came with you mac. The tray/mount, 50 pin cable and power cable are what you need. Did it have a hard drive and someone took it out? Most mac SE were dual floppy. The ad didn't say anything about format or OS, so will probably need sys floppys + disk tools is nice to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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