tomsmart1 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Cool , I really like it . And this opens the door for more features. Maybe CAS Images can this way also supported @tmp do all hardware revision support this extensions or do we need a specific one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 all carts support adding sio connector, the only difference is that the older ones (all that have green pcbs? not 100% sure) will have it more recessed so plugging the cable will be probably a bit harder, i need to test that (on the other hand they do not require hacking the shell if you're okay with removing the cart from the shell when you want to plug the cable) i slightly moved the connector later although it probably should've go even further out, hopefully one day i'll learn do things right on the second try ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Do you think you will supply kits for the change or we just source ourselves? I've got a green PCB one but looks fairly simple with some .4 gauge solder.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 currently i only plan eventually releasing a firmware that will support sio communication via that addon cable, i'm not even promising what functionality will be gradually added, this was basically just a test to see whether there's no issue preventing it from working altogether (and whether there's any interest in this functionality) so for now it's unofficial and diy mod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Sounds like a plan to me....Thank you...We shall watch this space.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I think many people would be interested! For example, on Facebook Steve spread the news 14 hours ago and a lot of comments and 51 likes appeared... As MrFish wrote... I smell a final solution... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 6 pin jst connectors, 1.25mm pitch (ebay/aliexpress are full of them, including some crimped cables although majority of them is quite short), the one on pcb is 90deg molex picoblade should work too red pcb is the one from the video, black pcb has connector flipped to the other side so pcb fits into unmodified shell, green pcbs have the connector flush with the edge so no need for a flip white and red are connected together if you decide to mod the shell, expect pain and tears, those polish shells are pure crap, they warp once you screw them together so nothing lines up with anything anymore, you have been warned 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) Excellent, I didn't notice if there was a firmware beta for this or as it stands? PS do the JST connectors solder as surface mount style or you need to find a right angled one? Edited April 26, 2020 by Mclaneinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 if you order connectors from china today, i'll have 2-4 weeks to get the firmware into some usable state ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) Ok, thanks tmp, brilliant work as always...Order done... Edited April 26, 2020 by Mclaneinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 hours ago, tmp said: 6 pin jst connectors, 1.25mm pitch (ebay/aliexpress are full of them, including some crimped cables although majority of them is quite short), the one on pcb is 90deg https://www.ebay.de/itm/JST-GH-1-25-mm-6-Pin-Stecker-90-Buchse-ca-15-cm-Kabel/123148319870 Does this look OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, TheMontezuma said: https://www.ebay.de/itm/JST-GH-1-25-mm-6-Pin-Stecker-90-Buchse-ca-15-cm-Kabel/123148319870 Does this look OK? yes, that looks ok that cable will be long enough for 800xe but will need extending for xl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I put that on FarceBook and Twatter, I thought it was worth a wider audience... LOTS of interest Having a cart load a tape (and maybe even Turbo2000 tapes) would be incredible! You'd literally cover every software media available in a single device. That's like the first question every new user asks, "what device loads everything?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NISMOPC Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 This is great news! Love my AVG already. This will just make it that much better. Have you tested if this will be compatible with other SIO devices daisy-chained? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 hours ago, tmp said: if you order connectors from china today, i'll have 2-4 weeks to get the firmware into some usable state I ordered 20x 30cm cables from China today, you have until the beginning of June I need to start printing some SIO connectors! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NISMOPC Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr Robot said: I ordered 20x 30cm cables from China today, you have until the beginning of June I need to start printing some SIO connectors! Just did the same, but no idea what length cables are. Not listed in the description. Guess I'll find out if and when they arrive... Estimated between Fri. May. 15 and Fri. Jul. 10 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) My cart has red pcb but not connector, so I need the cable plus the connector to solder in the pcb. OK it actually has a connector, but it close to the buttons, so I guess that one is for other purposes. So basically I can solder the connector in any direction or side. Edited April 26, 2020 by manterola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 4 hours ago, NISMOPC said: Have you tested if this will be compatible with other SIO devices daisy-chained? no, i haven't 1 hour ago, manterola said: My cart has red pcb but not connector, so I need the cable plus the connector to solder in the pcb. OK it actually has a connector, but it close to the buttons, so I guess that one is for other purposes. that's jtag (for unbricking) 1 hour ago, manterola said: So basically I can solder the connector in any direction or side. you can solder it any way you like but i suggest picking one of the two options given on that composite photo above so your cable will be wired correctly (as on the other 2 photos) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 4 hours ago, NISMOPC said: This is great news! Love my AVG already. This will just make it that much better. Have you tested if this will be compatible with other SIO devices daisy-chained? The famous diode would probably be needed for that, it can be placed in the junction with sio cable, for example. However, in most cases (not all) you will disconnect the whole sio daisy chain to make use of the avgcart sio connector, unless you got a long cable to connect it to the back of your disk drive or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madness77 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, manterola said: The famous diode would probably be needed for that, it can be placed in the junction with sio cable, for example. However, in most cases (not all) you will disconnect the whole sio daisy chain to make use of the avgcart sio connector, unless you got a long cable to connect it to the back of your disk drive or something. ...or make a through-plug, like in the FujiNet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 hours ago, manterola said: My cart has red pcb but not connector, so I need the cable plus the connector to solder in the pcb. OK it actually has a connector, but it close to the buttons, so I guess that one is for other purposes. So basically I can solder the connector in any direction or side. Well, I think the connector on your red pcb is right under the SD-card slot, its the same place on my green pcb... and I marked it for you. Ha, I am an artist - approx. 3 years old... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Hello guys If I'm not mistaken, pins 3, 5 7 and 8 are used at the moment. That would mean Data Input, Data Output, Command and Motor Control according to "Mapping the Atari, XL/XE version". Two wires aren't used yet. I'm guessing IRQ would be a good candidate for one of them. Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, NISMOPC said: The pins used are din dout cmd and gnd. Pins1 and 6 shorted Edit : my bad, the pins used are din dout cmd and mtrctrl. Mathy, as usual, you are right. Me better ? Edited April 26, 2020 by manterola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Worley Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, manterola said: The pins used are din dout cmd and gnd. Pins1 and 6 shorted Edit : my bad, the pins used are din dout cmd and mtrctrl. Mathy, as usual, you are right. Me better ? Then there's no reason why the device won't play well on the sio chain, if you were inclined to put a female jack on your cart instead of a male and chain it with other sio devices. The Motor control line is for tape emulation I presume, which is totally possible, but SAVES are another story entirely. I don't think it will do saves to 'tape' without major modifications. best, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) no you don't want that on the cart, it would be heavy and torsional, killing the avg pcb and cartridge port over time especially when plugged in. What would work is a pass through SIO dongle with take off T. With that plugged directly into the SIO port, it would ensured stress free solid SIO connection with little loss. That would be the best option. Edited April 27, 2020 by _The Doctor__ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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