Tempest Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I'm assuming that 99% of us use Ad Blockers anyway, so I doubt it's going to be a problem. See the ads if you want to, click on them if you're feeling generous, or just block them. Nothing to worry about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Flojomojo said: @Mr RobotI strongly urge you to stop attacking @Thomas Jentzsch. He has created a quite a few homebrew games, which is more than you or I have contributed to Atariland culture. There are many ways to participate, and since it's not your site, it seems inappropriate to attempt to dictate to @Albert how things should be run. A lot of people have invested business, time, friendships and effort attached to this site so concern does come up. I would recommend donations and/or if you are going to sell an item through Atari Age then you should pay advertising space if not already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPR Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mike Harris said: Initial post does not mean changes down the road as desperation sets in. My example of TOSEC is a prime and exact one. Initial post means exactly what the initial post means. Why would you bring some other site that isn't AtariAge into this or make an assumption that AtariAge is "desperate???" Do you not trust Al? You could point to a million other examples until you turn blue in the face, run out of air, and are dead on the ground. But why would you do that? Al specifically said the ads would not be obnoxious. Why would you challenge that and not just simply say "thank you" for him thinking about how to best balance both our online experience and placing Ads on AtariAge? Just sounds like you're going out of your way to create an argument or a concern that doesn't really exist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPR Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tempest said: I'm assuming that 99% of us use Ad Blockers anyway, so I doubt it's going to be a problem. 100% agreed! Either ad blockers or subscriptions. Here's one more thing I'm sure people don't realize, and I have learned this from my own experience on my website and my forums... The "regulars" here are, as you said, most likely are using ad blockers or have a subscription so those ads don't really apply to them anyway. BUT... and this is VERY IMPORTANT... If you do a Google Search for "Atari... <insert just about anything here>", AtariAge is almost always one of the top search results. I'd be willing to bet that Albert has a TON of "random, non-regular Google Visitor page views" from people who may be finding AtariAge for the very first time, or just doing a search for something, have no interest in being a subscriber or an AtariAge Store customer, but are here because of the large volume of information offered on this site. Those people probably make up a HUGE amount of page view for Al (as I can tell you they do for me, and this site is a much MUCH larger site than mine) and I have to be honest, when you are working your butt off ~24/7 (And I can tell you from the conversations I have late in the wee hours with Al, he's working CRAZY HOURS), and server fees are not cheap, those "Google Visitors" not seeing ads is just a website operator leaving money on the table, and I personally would like to see AtariAge make as much as possible, because the other thing I know about Al, is that he puts a lot of that money RIGHT BACK INTO this page. Anyone who thinks that "Ads on AtariAge" is going to hurt AtariAge in any way, IMHO, is very mistaken and will probably be very pleasantly surprised at how much the revenue generated from those ads will HELP the site. And if you're worried, just turn on your ad blocker... Al's not going to care if you turn it on or not, because there are going to be plenty of other "Google Visitors" who will make up for them. (Even if some of those Google page viewers are also using blockers!) tl:dr - Ads on AtariAge aren't going to impact you very much at all. Cut Al some slack. Thanks. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Totally get why you're doing this, and I'm totally fine with it. Future-proofing is important. Something else you could do would be to do a once a year 'pledge drive', the way Wikipedia or BoardGameGeek do to raise additional funds. It's not compulsory, but it does raise a significant chunk of cash, and the once a year thing prevents it from becoming annoying to members. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F34R Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I'll buy a two year sub on Friday. Wife gets paid then, and I get my "allowance" ROFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr Robot said: Yes there have. Which methods specifically would you be willing to contribute using? A member for over 18 years, over 25000 posts (over 100 posts a month), not a subscriber, adblock enabled. How does Albert get you to help keep everything running? Say one more thing like this, and I will remove you from this thread. 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serguei2 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) I'm not familiar about ads on the internet. Do the owners earn money by allow them to use on their sites? Or do they earn money each time someone clicks on the ads? Edited September 24, 2019 by Serguei2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwackery Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I am fine with this decision. People should be compensated for the work they do, even if it's a labor of love. Have you played Atari today? Have you eaten tacos today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Zwackery said: Have you eaten tacos today? Does a burrito count? As I had one of those! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwackery Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Albert said: Does a burrito count? As I had one of those! Burrito?!? Heathen! Burritos are the Atari 5200 of tacos. But still delicious. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Serguei2 said: I'm not familiar about ads on the internet. Do the owners earn money by allow them to use on their sites? Or do they earn money each time someone clicks on the ads? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serguei2 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Shawn said: Yes. You mean both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepthaw Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Having gone back to read replies... Are people seriously bothered by this? Web hosting isn’t free. A lot of work goes into this site. They need a way to monetize users like me who visit sporadically enough that a $5/month sub is more than I feel would be worth throwing at it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Serguei2 said: You mean both? Depending on who and what you plug in the ads, yes, both and either are possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CXK Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Zwackery said: Burrito?!? Heathen! Burritos are the Atari 5200 of tacos. Hey now... don't hate on the 5200!! We got a cult! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew954 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Quote Anyone who thinks that "Ads on AtariAge" is going to hurt AtariAge in any way, IMHO, is very mistaken and will probably be very pleasantly surprised at how much the revenue generated from those ads will HELP the site. Agreed. I'm still a member at RCGroups. They've had a similar setup for many years now. The ads have helped keep the site afloat. Though for the most part, the ads there generally lean toward companies associated with the R/C hobby. It would be great to see something similar here at AA. Advertising for CollectorVision Games, Nintendo Age, Piko Interactive, just to name a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+frankodragon Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I posted a while ago on the taco thread but if you're looking for new merchandise for AA, a tortilla press with the AA logo might interest a few. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, frankodragon said: I posted a while ago on the taco thread but if you're looking for new merchandise for AA, a tortilla press with the AA logo might interest a few. I already have one of those, but might be willing to buy one for a friend who also likes Atari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Completely support this move Al. I've had ads on AtariGamer from get start, it's the only way to really support a free site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I think people tend to go "hair on fire" with changes like these, and we'll find later it not be so bad. Al sounds reluctant to implement ads, so we can take that as a positive sign. While I run an ad-blocker, the best way to get me to turn it off is good content. For example: I just disabled it on The Register's whole site, because of their sadly-unique coverage of a certain taco-related console. I believe it was @Flojomojo who once longed for a way to donate subscription money to others for great posts. I'm not sure if a "buy beer" (/taco?) option is feasible, but maybe it would help? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Albert said: Does a burrito count? As I had one of those! Just one? You're never gonna get the gamer bod by staying a lightweight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, PlaysWithWolves said: I believe it was @Flojomojo who once longed for a way to donate subscription money to others for great posts. I'm not sure if a "buy beer" option is feasible, but maybe it would help? I said I want to buy subscriptions for people who are consistently awesome. I've actually done that, but $25 or $50 a pop is a lot for me to swallow. As a result, I haven't followed through as much as I'd like to. A micro transaction like the Reddit Gold concept would be great. A few bucks for goodwill here and there feels easier to absorb. In the meantime, serving up ads to casual visitors is way easier and probably just as lucrative. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Ah, yes. Microtransactions. There are a lot of awesome people on this board, but I'm not buying any single one of you a $25 taco. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyChris Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Ads in between posts are awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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