_The Doctor__ Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) we've gone plaid! gotta add another speed category... the speed at which members needle the sh*t out of programmers and developers here on AtariAge! perhaps it's mazzzspeed! Edited August 8, 2021 by _The Doctor__ 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Hello guys Could we get some popcorn here? I don't like them salted and I'm a diabetic, so please put some of that solid sweetener on it. Serious mode on: STOP FIGHTING OVER EVERY ... WORD!!! We're all adults here (at least age wise), there is no need what so ever to fight each other over every f*ing word. That goes for every side of the conflict! Accept that people have different ideas and suggestions and accept that a developer/programmer is free to use those ideas and suggestions or to not use them. We're not here to burn developers and programmers down, we do however have ideas that we think could make the hardware or software that is being realized better. We are not the ones that will be remembered for our ideas, the developers and programmers will be remembered for their products. That said, the developer and programmer has the freedom to reject our ideas, it's his or her or its product, so the decision is his, hers of its. SO STOP FIGHTING!!! Because it's not leading to new hardware or software, it's leading to people leaving. Leaving their product or even leaving the Atari 8 bit scene. Sincerey Mathy PS I know Covid-19 turned all of us into victims in some form or another, please don't let the Atari 8 bit community be a victim. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mathy said: PS I know Covid-19 turned all of us into victims in some form or another, please don't let the Atari 8 bit community be a victim. When it comes to COVID-19 the battle is about the lifestyle as we know. PoP is so much more - it's about the Atari legacy and users pride. Don't be so simple minded and don't stop the fire Edited August 8, 2021 by zbyti 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Personally, my only battle lately was to get many impossible sounds to not sound horribly impossible to listen. ? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Personally, I don't understand the argument that "we are adults, so let's not fight". As far as I know the history, it is not children who starts the wars and go to fight on them 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, zbyti said: And the corollary to that: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 On 8/8/2021 at 4:14 AM, snicklin said: Plenty of colours, very 90s influenced. Way to reach page 100... A princely conversion ! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 On 8/8/2021 at 4:35 AM, STE'86 said: thats very interesting, i had no idea that you could mix and match colour depth like that on the bbc. i had wrongly assumed that to display on the 8 colour mode that you would have to store the sprites in 8 colour mode. It's all software sprites on the BBC: so very slow but great freedom in terms of format... The A8 sprites are a mix of software and hardware. I believe the original sprites dimensions could have been kept on the beeb with a fair amount of work. The atrocious beeb palette could possibly been improved with flickering (between white and purple for the skin for instance) at 50hz which would have been another good chunk of work requiring surgical precision but that would have pushed the bounds of what people believe is possible on that machine. (Not sure why people don't use this trick in games on C64) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Mathy said: SO STOP FIGHTING!!! May this thread live and prosper for another 1000(+1) pages... ? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 hours ago, rensoup said: May this thread live and prosper for another 1000(+1) pages... ? The Prince is dead, long live the Vizier? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Mathy said: STOP FIGHTING OVER EVERY ... WORD!!! No!!! (It's probably more like every other sentence anyway.) Stop fighting with people for fighting!!! (It was a very harmonious chorus of debates, disagreements, rebuttals, and off-topic humor, until you came along and interrupted things...) Let everyone fight in peace, please!?!? (Forget popcorn; pick up some stones and show us what you're made of.) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 What's that one demo where the stick men are fighting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superrune Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 4:49 AM, STE'86 said: Today i was looking at the past few pages, i was struck by the title image that Jose posted and was inspired to think that something like this could work. colour selection and conversion permitting obviously I really like this one. Great suggestion STE! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Is this the part where we're supposed to just leave Britney alone? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, MrFish said: What's that one demo where the stick men are fighting? Pacem in Terris https://youtu.be/g7RSEzcn064 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Nice, they got all the original stick anim in there.. Nicer in higher res PC but great work fitting it in.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 And if you like the guys work then here's the collection of them.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STE'86 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 15 hours ago, rensoup said: It's all software sprites on the BBC: so very slow but great freedom in terms of format... The A8 sprites are a mix of software and hardware. I believe the original sprites dimensions could have been kept on the beeb with a fair amount of work. The atrocious beeb palette could possibly been improved with flickering (between white and purple for the skin for instance) at 50hz which would have been another good chunk of work requiring surgical precision but that would have pushed the bounds of what people believe is possible on that machine. (Not sure why people don't use this trick in games on C64) interlacing is very old hat on the c64 as is interleaving lines of colour to use chroma noise to give the impression of more colours. the c64 community by and large will not use interlacing tho as its very noticeable and "flickers like a bastard" no matter what u may read elsewhere its a nasty practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 hours ago, MrFish said: (It was a very harmonious chorus of debates, disagreements, rebuttals, and off-topic humor, until you came along and interrupted things...) 2 hours ago, DrVenkman said: Pacem in Terris https://youtu.be/g7RSEzcn064 Yeah, that's the one. Parts of this thread remind me of that. I never realised it was that old. I thought it was a more modern production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, MrFish said: I never realised it was that old. I thought it was a more modern production I think it was originally a PC Flash demo from the late Nineties. Kind of the thing it took us few hours to download over dial-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, youxia said: I think it was originally a PC Flash demo from the late Nineties. Kind of the thing it took us few hours to download over dial-up Uses 2 x 180 KB disk images here; but the files only total 272 KB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 4 hours ago, STE'86 said: interlacing is very old hat on the c64 as is interleaving lines of colour to use chroma noise to give the impression of more colours. the c64 community by and large will not use interlacing tho as its very noticeable and "flickers like a bastard" no matter what u may read elsewhere its a nasty practice. nasty or mindblowing... see Metal Slug on an atari STe: https://atariage.com/forums/topic/322794-metal-slug-mission-1-for-atari-ste-complete/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyRBcTnn-5M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzspeed Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) They use interleaved rendering on the C64. Mostly in demo's, while the flickering isn't bad (at least on CRT) it's distracting in games. You can create such images easily using Mufflon on PC. Edited August 9, 2021 by Mazzspeed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 47 minutes ago, rensoup said: nasty or mindblowing... see Metal Slug on an atari STe: https://atariage.com/forums/topic/322794-metal-slug-mission-1-for-atari-ste-complete/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyRBcTnn-5M Looks like I need to dust off my Mega STE, holy crap that looks great !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 8 hours ago, DrVenkman said: Pacem in Terris https://youtu.be/g7RSEzcn064 Great demo, but that intro screen needs more colours………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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