+dhe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I have a final grom. One of my consoles will play moon patrol and one will not. On the defective console, moon patrol will start, but the opening sound, sounds kind of 'tinny', then in crashes. The defective console will pass TI diagnostics and play TI Invaders, run a basic program. I'm thinking in might be a bitmap mode thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Without seeing the program and hearing that it will work on one console and not the other, I'm forced to ask, is the console it will not work on a beige QI 2.2 console? Moon Patrol is an Atarisoft game (not a GROM game) and will not work on the later 2.2 consoles. TI Invaders is a GROM cartridge and therefore will. Just a guess on my part. IIRC there is a converted version out there that requires 32K and should run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I have a final grom. One of my consoles will play moon patrol and one will not. On the defective console, moon patrol will start, but the opening sound, sounds kind of 'tinny', then in crashes. The defective console will pass TI diagnostics and play TI Invaders, run a basic program. I'm thinking in might be a bitmap mode thing?Try Parsec to test bitmap modeMp is ROM while ti Invaders is grom try another ROM game as wellSent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Without seeing the program and hearing that it will work on one console and not the other, I'm forced to ask, is the console it will not work on a beige QI 2.2 console? Moon Patrol is an Atarisoft game (not a GROM game) and will not work on the later 2.2 consoles. TI Invaders is a GROM cartridge and therefore will. Just a guess on my part. IIRC there is a converted version out there that requires 32K and should run.I'll just have to say here that if you can run the game from the menu than the 2.2 block is not the issue all 2.2 does is not scan ROM games for the menu it only scans grom. That's why the playground loader can run ROM games on a 2.2 consoleSent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, arcadeshopper said: I'll just have to say here that if you can run the game from the menu than the 2.2 block is not the issue all 2.2 does is not scan ROM games for the menu it only scans grom. That's why the playground loader can run ROM games on a 2.2 console Sent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk Yeah, he specifically mentioned that he has a FinalGROM, so I assumed he was running from that. The attached version of Moon Patrol (from the 'starter pack') is only 10K in size and I believe is NOT a GROM version. I have no 2.2 console to confirm this assumption. moonpatrol.bin Edited February 4, 2020 by --- Ω --- left out the highlighted word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Yeah, he specifically mentioned that he has a FinalGROM, so I assumed he was running from that. The attached version of Moon Patrol (from the 'starter pack') is only 10K in size and I believe is the GROM version. I have no 2.2 console to confirm this assumption. moonpatrol.binROM not grom groms have a G at the endSent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, arcadeshopper said: ROM not grom groms have a G at the end Right, so IF the console it's not running on is a 2.2, this may be why it only runs on that one console? Like I said, it's just a guess. I left out the word NOT in that message, Atarisoft never made a GROM based cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I have to test, but I am not familiar with OS 2.2 being a problem with the FG. (I have a console with OS 2.2 and will have to test.) I do know it fusses with the QI mainboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, OLD CS1 said: I have to test, but I am not familiar with OS 2.2 being a problem with the FG. (I have a console with OS 2.2 and will have to test.) I do know it fusses with the QI mainboard. Excellent, I'm interested in the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 also the correct moon patrol for fg99 is: moonpatC.bin moonpatD.bin they are in the zip on whtech tested in classic99 with 2.2 console and the playground 2.2 menu the game runs fine with some font issues due to the basic environment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+dhe Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 arcadeshopper for the WIN! Both consoles, are older black and silver. Just so we could eliminate any talk of final grom, I pulled my original TI module (PHM3112). Parsec will start, but the screen pretty quickly becomes corrupt, so I'm guessing a memory chip. What would be the best path to figure out what memory chip, TI Diags test memory, but I get the feeling memory, is only the scratchpad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Diags only test vdp ram.. usually bad vdp shows up on the boot screen thoughSent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, arcadeshopper said: bad vdp shows up on the boot screen though Yeah, and our good friend @mizapf put together eight screen shots (or something along the line) of what the Master Title Screen looks like with the failure of each of the eight bits of VDP RAM. Is neat and informative but one would have to search to find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Always keep a link to Ninerpedia. https://www.ninerpedia.org/wiki/Troubleshooting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOME AUTOMATION Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I have one of these: Mask 11101111 is that, Bit 3, in the example image? Right now, I consider this a feature. However, that would change if my last working console fails! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+dhe Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Thanks CS1 that's good to know. In this case, I can't detect any problem with the menu bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, HOME AUTOMATION said: I have one of these: Mask 11101111 is that, Bit 3, in the example image? Right now, I consider this a feature. However, that would change if my last working console fails! Were those diagnosis images ever compiled into a PDF document? It would be really great if there was a downloadable PDF file for self-diagnosis of some common failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Meh, never mind. My v2.2 console is dead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, OLD CS1 said: Meh, never mind. My v2.2 console is dead. My condolences for the death in your computer family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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