Ricky Spanish Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, JagChris said: I'm going to have to try this. I got two copies that freeze up.at different places. Sooner or later it's map screen or info screen. You need to disable basic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said: You need to disable basic. Option button held down on boot. Makes no diff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I have seen cases in which Planetarium got stuck when there is XRAM involved. I remember I did an experiment in Altirra trying the different XRAM configurations and detected some kind of pattern, but I don't remember now. But the experiment can be reproduced easily and quickly again. Are you using an Atari Computer with extended RAM(RAM expansion)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 For AP you need at least 64K ram, it also uses extended ram to store data so when you flip the disk to side b you won't have to flip it back again to side a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I tried the atr linked by DjayBee, and all work perfectly will all the Compyshop and Rambo XRAM schemes in Altirra. The Rambo ones generate some garbage in the screen during the loading process and also in some screen redrawings at the beginning of the program. But they all work. I did not try the Axlon based memory expansions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 11 hours ago, manterola said: I have seen cases in which Planetarium got stuck when there is XRAM involved. I remember I did an experiment in Altirra trying the different XRAM configurations and detected some kind of pattern, but I don't remember now. But the experiment can be reproduced easily and quickly again. Are you using an Atari Computer with extended RAM(RAM expansion)? Its an Atari 600XL expanded to 64k internally. In essence it should be just like a stock 800XL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 On 4/4/2023 at 11:50 PM, DjayBee said: https://archive.org/details/@cs_stuttgart?query=planetarium Ok this one freezes up on the title screen for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) I was able to get 'Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr' Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr working, but didn't go far with it. The crosshairs responded to the joystick movement. I tried on a Rambo 320k NTSC 800xl in atari800. Edited May 4, 2023 by invisible kid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 6 hours ago, invisible kid said: I was able to get 'Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr' Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr 130.02 kB · 2 downloads working, but didn't go far with it. The crosshairs responded to the joystick movement. I tried on a Rambo 320k NTSC 800xl in atari800. Ill try it. I got one from Atarimania. And also from two other places. One hung up on map screen. One hung on info screen. Latest hung on title screen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 11 hours ago, invisible kid said: I was able to get 'Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr' Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr 130.02 kB · 3 downloads working, but didn't go far with it. The crosshairs responded to the joystick movement. I tried on a Rambo 320k NTSC 800xl in atari800. This actually looks like the bundle I just tried but I'll give it another go in a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 is your gear broken? seems like it... maybe troubleshoot your Atari... make sure the option key etc is actually working, and your disk drive is proper RPMS etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 The important part of the filename is "[cr CSS]" as that is the cracked version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 6 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said: is your gear broken? seems like it... maybe troubleshoot your Atari... make sure the option key etc is actually working, and your disk drive is proper RPMS etc. I was starting to worry about that as well. Did a memory check etc. The files ate getting corrupted somehow in transfer probably.Even though I'm taking every precaution. But I found two files that appear to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 18 hours ago, invisible kid said: I was able to get 'Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr' Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr 130.02 kB · 3 downloads working, but didn't go far with it. The crosshairs responded to the joystick movement. I tried on a Rambo 320k NTSC 800xl in atari800. Thanks but I didn't have luck with this one either. It didn't even get to the title screen. Strange, I don't have much problem normally. I also just downloaded another copy of TGACCRR. No problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Are you waiting long enough? It's either that or your hardware I guess. Dang, good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 4 hours ago, JagChris said: Thanks but I didn't have luck with this one either. It didn't even get to the title screen. Strange, I don't have much problem normally. I also just downloaded another copy of TGACCRR. No problems. Verify its checksum: File: Atari Planetarium, The (1985)(Atari)(US)(Side A)(Program Side)[!][req 64K][cr CSS].atr CRC-32: 763a7694 MD5: 8216f7e1690a06134ee2ddf37f6e3396 SHA-256: 4d998be343b001491fdf1f6b4efe262df696504d89d78badfc281453069f16e9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 58 minutes ago, invisible kid said: Are you waiting long enough? It's either that or your hardware I guess. Dang, good luck. Possible but not likely. Yeah I'm waiting long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Hardware issue then. Too bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 All this back'n'forth has got me a little confused as to what's the definitive and complete working copy of this. I would assume the one at AtariMania is the gold standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Keatah said: All this back'n'forth has got me a little confused as to what's the definitive and complete working copy of this. I would assume the one at AtariMania is the gold standard? I personally don't know yet. Everyone here thinks my system is defective. If so it may be some burp in the upper 16k. This is possible but probably not it. All copies I've gotten, which seem to be two separate dumps fail at different points. If it was a hardware problem I would think it would be more consistent. But i may be wrong. And I have no problems with most other software. Any real problems I've had are solved with just downloading a good copy. Hash checks are nice but I need to know that copy the hash is from really works. Not a yeah yeah its a good copy. Must be your hardware so sad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 56 minutes ago, JagChris said: Hash checks are nice but I need to know that copy the hash is from really works. Not a yeah yeah its a good copy. Must be your hardware so sad... I know that my dump works and @invisible kid confirmed it. This is the reason why I posted its hashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Keatah said: All this back'n'forth has got me a little confused as to what's the definitive and complete working copy of this. I would assume the one at AtariMania is the gold standard? Atari planetarium from AtariMania works as advertised on my rig. Both A & B sides. Hasn't done anything stupid. Edited May 5, 2023 by Ricky Spanish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said: Atari planetarium from AtariMania works as advertised on my rig. Both A & B sides. Hasn't done anything stupid. Well that is good to know. I'll mark (in my personal library) as a working correctly till proven otherwise. 1 hour ago, JagChris said: I personally don't know yet. Everyone here thinks my system is defective. If so it may be some burp in the upper 16k. This is possible but probably not it. All copies I've gotten, which seem to be two separate dumps fail at different points. If it was a hardware problem I would think it would be more consistent. But i may be wrong. And I have no problems with most other software. Any real problems I've had are solved with just downloading a good copy. In the Apple II world I've had certain cracks reveal hardware issues - while other cracks of the same game work just fine. I assume the memory mapping is different among them and some just hit the bad bit. 1 hour ago, JagChris said: Hash checks are nice but I need to know that copy the hash is from really works. Not a yeah yeah its a good copy. Must be your hardware so sad... Tell me (or post) which version of the planetarium you're using and exactly what I have to do to get it to lock up. I'll test on Altirra and my friend's real hardware. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 53 minutes ago, Keatah said: Well that is good to know. I'll mark (in my personal library) as a working correctly till proven otherwise. In the Apple II world I've had certain cracks reveal hardware issues - while other cracks of the same game work just fine. I assume the memory mapping is different among them and some just hit the bad bit. Tell me (or post) which version of the planetarium you're using and exactly what I have to do to get it to lock up. I'll test on Altirra and my friend's real hardware. This will be a process. It will take a few days to systematically check each file and get to the bottom of what's doing what and checking hashes, labelling etc. In the meantime there should be a good XL memory check program out there that will check all 64k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 Sounds like a lot of work? Anyways, putting the one from Atari Mania through it's paces. So far ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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