ninex Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said: what do you mean eject config disk, a disk in slot 1 of fn for sdx config? or the fujinet configuration util in a slot or? The preferred methods being, SDX pull from cart for SDX support stuff pull from D1: SDX support stuff pull from assigned Dx: support stuff the Fujinet still can be configged by web interface or other program etc. last I knew... could be interesting... maybe it really is time I buy another Fujinet of the latest revision, perhaps it's ready now. actuallly i fixed that in FN firmware. after conversation fith fujinet team, see PR https://github.com/FujiNetWIFI/fujinet-platformio/pull/458 so with general/status_wait=0 SDX is working with autorun.atr (internal) fine. it's just little odd how SDX is detecting disks on the SIO bus. later will put switch on fujinet web iface to switch that functionality off/on the challenge was that when no disk mounted, and config enabled, fn seem to wait for other devices to talk, to check if there is no other DF1: handling device. way how SDX starts read from disks differ from other OSes. other send sio_status commands multiple times. SDX start reading without checking disk status. i altered Fujinet to fix that issue. we can Close Case Edited July 16, 2021 by ninex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninex Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Found one issue with 32MB ATR Disk while i can do boot inidos.sys on 16MB disk, this will not work with 512kb Sector disk EDIT: NVM - RTFM Edited July 17, 2021 by ninex Read the Friendly Manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Peter Rabitt Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 How do you get and use SDX if you don't have any of the fancy external add-on's???? I have Fuji net and a sdrive but I do not see them on your web site (github.com). I have the OLD SD cartage and it works find but would like to update the DOS.. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodByteXL Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Peter Rabitt said: How do you get and use SDX if you don't have any of the fancy external add-on's???? I have Fuji net and a sdrive but I do not see them on your web site (github.com). I have the OLD SD cartage and it works find but would like to update the DOS.. Peter You may upgrade the old cartridge. http://sdx.atari8.info/index.php?show=en_hardware Leads to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Peter Rabitt Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Yes I did read that but I would like to keep the cart. as is... I was just thinking it would load from a SD drive or disk, just as well as from the new MYide, side, etc. I do not want to buy them just to run SDX...I guess this is the way "they" make you buy the new upgrades!!! Not complaining but just think it would be nice to also have the SDX for us who can not buy the latest fancy add on... Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 SDX is cartridge based. So if you want to use it, you need suitable cartridge hardware (or Ultimate 1MB). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Peter Rabitt Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Thank You for the answer... I will look for a cart PCB to add the new EEROM to or a rom card or ??? Then I need to figure out how to program it,n the maybe I will have a copy to run for me... Thanks again... Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Peter Rabitt said: Thank You for the answer... I will look for a cart PCB to add the new EEROM to or a rom card or ??? Then I need to figure out how to program it,n the maybe I will have a copy to run for me... Thanks again... Peter You must set the banking properly. You can't directly put 512K into 16K address range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Peter Rabitt said: Thank You for the answer... I will look for a cart PCB to add the new EEROM to or a rom card or ??? Then I need to figure out how to program it,n the maybe I will have a copy to run for me... Thanks again... Peter AtariMax sells carts you can install the new versions of SDX on. (Plus, the 8Mb cart is also good for Space Harrier). https://atarimax.com/flashcart/documentation/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 8Mbit cart clobbers the rtime8 cart. best stick with 1Mbit cart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodByteXL Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 12 hours ago, Peter Rabitt said: Yes I did read that but I would like to keep the cart. as is... I was just thinking it would load from a SD drive or disk, just as well as from the new MYide, side, etc. I do not want to buy them just to run SDX...I guess this is the way "they" make you buy the new upgrades!!! Not complaining but just think it would be nice to also have the SDX for us who can not buy the latest fancy add on... SDX is more than a simple DOS and needs quite some more resources than available in the Atari. For a pure cartridge based solution I recommend: https://www.bitsofthepast.com/?product=super-spartados-pcb It is the closest match to the use and behaviour of the original SDX cartridge from ICD. Want to look at SDX just to see? I recommend Altirra for this purpose. It will help to decide if the free available SDX is worth buying a decent hardware base. Altirra works well even on a Linux based pc. My real XL SDX setup is mirrored in Altirra to check new developments in advance to avoid surprises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Yes, the SuperSpartaDosX cart with RTC is definitely a winner! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Peter Rabitt Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Thank You for the answer... I looked at the SuperSpartaDosX cart and the case and I feel that I may buy into it... I do have a question I did not find the answer on the web site...How do you UPDATE the rom? when the next update comes out...I said it was a 4.49 I think but I have seem c or d rev. It appears that the cart does not use a 40 pin type chip... Most of the external programmers I have seem have "pin" type sockets not surface type. THANKS for all the help, not that this is a game changes but mostly a question for knowledge... Peter P.S. Back to fixing the 800xl and now the 3 1050 drives. Yea the drives are not responding to the computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter Rabitt said: Thank You for the answer... I looked at the SuperSpartaDosX cart and the case and I feel that I may buy into it... I do have a question I did not find the answer on the web site...How do you UPDATE the rom? when the next update comes out...I said it was a 4.49 I think but I have seem c or d rev. It appears that the cart does not use a 40 pin type chip... Most of the external programmers I have seem have "pin" type sockets not surface type. THANKS for all the help, not that this is a game changes but mostly a question for knowledge... Peter P.S. Back to fixing the 800xl and now the 3 1050 drives. Yea the drives are not responding to the computer. There is a flashing program that updates it while it's in the Atari itself, run the program and wait for it to got through it's paces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodByteXL Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Peter Rabitt said: THANKS for all the help, not that this is a game changes but mostly a question for knowledge... Peter P.S. Back to fixing the 800xl and now the 3 1050 drives. Yea the drives are not responding to the computer. Obviously, for many regular readers/users it is too obvious, but not clear to new (old) users. And it triggers the idea to include some paragraphs about it in the next manual. It may help as well on deciding what items to acquire for SDX usage. Good luck with fixing ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Peter Rabitt Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 hours ago, GoodByteXL said: Obviously, for many regular readers/users it is too obvious, but not clear to new (old) users. Yes I have been fighting this for about a year....New words and phrases that can not be uncovered but I still try... Working on the 800xl and drives...Found many Ideas for help.. Wrong thread but just to say I also belong to a BBQ forum and they have a built-in dictionary.. Work great for first timers... Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodByteXL Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 7/20/2021 at 7:26 PM, Peter Rabitt said: Wrong thread but just to say I also belong to a BBQ forum and they have a built-in dictionary.. Work great for first timers... The SpartDOS X User Guide comes with a pretty comprehensive glossary ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 SDX has among the best organised documentation of any A8 product, with table of contents, index, glossary, etc, all searchable. Unfortunately the manual has yet to be invented which reads itself for you, however. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, flashjazzcat said: SDX has among the best organised documentation of any A8 product, with table of contents, index, glossary, etc, all searchable. Unfortunately the manual has yet to be invented which reads itself for you, however. Charlton Heston narrates... SpartaDOS X... an audio book! Edited July 22, 2021 by _The Doctor__ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Peter Rabitt Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Apparently you though I was talking about SDX, well I have the original cart. ran it on MY BBS for 4 years so I know most of how it works (the old version)... I was talking about in general the aberrations everyone throws around, does not always mean that every one else knows... I have tried to figure out most by guessing and most of the time I am wrong , I lived in a different electronics world than most of the Atarites.. So I was not talking about SDX but in general terms... Sorry Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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+Peter Rabitt Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Thanks for the thread..Very interesting... The first post was all we needed but did have other questions answered but not tech type...I am or would like to be a tech. type so I can look into the mobrd and fix...I have fixed 3 Atari's now hopefully for good. A 600xl and added a memory upgrade, two 800xl's one with a bad delay line and the second with a bad delay line and a bad solder joint on the output of the gtia... Going after 3 1050 soon as I get some more part together.. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Peter Rabitt Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 OK I have scanned over the 300 plus pages in the SDX manual and find a lot of stuff interesting...Also looking thru the thread you all sent me to I did find answers to many question... Now I have one that may not be in the information on this board or maybe it is but I have not asked the right question in the search box... The question is: As I remember My BBS ran on a Atari 800XL with 256k memory. That was the basic program ran.. it controlled a ATR 8000 and a few other things like an 850 interface and 3 or 4 5meg bite hard drives... Yea a lot of storage HAHAHA and why the question I am asking is because the ATR ran CP/M all the files where in CP/M maybe... Is there any way using the Atari and maybe SDX (or any other dos) to see if the 5.25 disks (lots of them) back ups are in CP/M I know I will have to complete the rebuild to read and see if any of the files are any good but just to spear me on it would be good to know. There maybe files that have not surface yet as the BBS became a pirate board because everyone wanted to share the files and I did not check out the files to see if they where OK. I am not a gamer just had the BBS for fun... Lots of $$$ went into it. OK enough history, any help... Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, Peter Rabitt said: OK I have scanned over the 300 plus pages in the SDX manual and find a lot of stuff interesting...Also looking thru the thread you all sent me to I did find answers to many question... Now I have one that may not be in the information on this board or maybe it is but I have not asked the right question in the search box... The question is: As I remember My BBS ran on a Atari 800XL with 256k memory. That was the basic program ran.. it controlled a ATR 8000 and a few other things like an 850 interface and 3 or 4 5meg bite hard drives... Yea a lot of storage HAHAHA and why the question I am asking is because the ATR ran CP/M all the files where in CP/M maybe... Is there any way using the Atari and maybe SDX (or any other dos) to see if the 5.25 disks (lots of them) back ups are in CP/M I know I will have to complete the rebuild to read and see if any of the files are any good but just to spear me on it would be good to know. There maybe files that have not surface yet as the BBS became a pirate board because everyone wanted to share the files and I did not check out the files to see if they where OK. I am not a gamer just had the BBS for fun... Lots of $$$ went into it. OK enough history, any help... Peter SDX does in fact have a (read-only) CP/M driver. Somewhere in your config file (or even from the command line), execute CPM.SYS (I believe this is found on the various toolkit ATRs). You can then use that to test for CP/M disks (whether on a real floppy, or even a PC mounted ATR). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Peter Rabitt Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) Supper, I will test this today later on...I have other things to do before I can "play" with my Atari!! Peter Edit: I just looked thru the tools for SDX and only found a CP/M tool for the Indus drive, I only have a 1050 working... DRIVERS>CPMFS.ARC ----------------- A driver to read Indus CP/M disks. Edited July 28, 2021 by Peter Rabitt update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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