boxpressed Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 It's been several years since I actively collected sealed Intellivision games, and it's time to recover some space by getting rid of variants. I'd like to know what you would keep when given a choice of variants. I basically want a "original" sealed US collection (as much as possible). I don't have any sealed FCTVVO games, so the collection won't be THAT original. But basically an "original" over "variant" collection. The problem is distinguishing what is "original" and what is a "variant." Here are the criteria: 1. If there is a Mattel version of the game, I will keep it and get rid of the Intellivision Inc. version (even if the titles are different) 2. If there is a box that says "Keyboard Component" in the lower right, I will get rid of the ones that don't mention it 3. If there is a cartridge "Made in the USA" Mattel version, I will keep it and get rid of the HK, Singapore, Taiwan, and Various origins 4. If there is a gatefold version of the game, I will get rid of the non-gatefold versions I know it's not perfect, but does this seem like a good set of criteria to go by? One problem that arises has to do with the "Made in Hong Kong" box that mentions the Keyboard Component and a "Made in the USA" that does NOT mention the Keyboard Component. I'm keeping the former in this case. When there is a "Made in Hong Kong" game that mentions the Keyboard Component, was there always a "Made in USA" counterpart that also mentioned the Keyboard Component? So far, I've come across several KC titles that I don't have the USA version of. These are all sealed games, so it could be just that it exists and I haven't run across a sealed version. Thanks for your help! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intellivotion Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, boxpressed said: (...) When there is a "Made in Hong Kong" game that mentions the Keyboard Component, was there always a "Made in USA" counterpart that also mentioned the Keyboard Component? So far, I've come across several KC titles that I don't have the USA version of. These are all sealed games, so it could be just that it exists and I haven't run across a sealed version. Thanks for your help! you can find the answer in this thread: The general conclusion is that for each made in HK box with mention of the KC at least one made in USA box with the same mention exists. Moreover, it seems like the rarest made in USA box that mentions the KC is Word Fun Edited July 12, 2020 by intellivotion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 hours ago, boxpressed said: It's been several years since I actively collected sealed Intellivision games, and it's time to recover some space by getting rid of variants. I'd like to know what you would keep when given a choice of variants. I basically want a "original" sealed US collection (as much as possible). I don't have any sealed FCTVVO games, so the collection won't be THAT original. But basically an "original" over "variant" collection. The problem is distinguishing what is "original" and what is a "variant." Here are the criteria: 1. If there is a Mattel version of the game, I will keep it and get rid of the Intellivision Inc. version (even if the titles are different) 2. If there is a box that says "Keyboard Component" in the lower right, I will get rid of the ones that don't mention it 3. If there is a cartridge "Made in the USA" Mattel version, I will keep it and get rid of the HK, Singapore, Taiwan, and Various origins 4. If there is a gatefold version of the game, I will get rid of the non-gatefold versions I know it's not perfect, but does this seem like a good set of criteria to go by? One problem that arises has to do with the "Made in Hong Kong" box that mentions the Keyboard Component and a "Made in the USA" that does NOT mention the Keyboard Component. I'm keeping the former in this case. When there is a "Made in Hong Kong" game that mentions the Keyboard Component, was there always a "Made in USA" counterpart that also mentioned the Keyboard Component? So far, I've come across several KC titles that I don't have the USA version of. These are all sealed games, so it could be just that it exists and I haven't run across a sealed version. Thanks for your help! Your reasoning seems sound to me. Oldest US version you can find. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSRSteve Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, boxpressed said: Here are the criteria: 1. If there is a Mattel version of the game, I will keep it and get rid of the Intellivision Inc. version (even if the titles are different) 2. If there is a box that says "Keyboard Component" in the lower right, I will get rid of the ones that don't mention it 3. If there is a cartridge "Made in the USA" Mattel version, I will keep it and get rid of the HK, Singapore, Taiwan, and Various origins 4. If there is a gatefold version of the game, I will get rid of the non-gatefold versions I know it's not perfect, but does this seem like a good set of criteria to go by? When there is a "Made in Hong Kong" game that mentions the Keyboard Component, was there always a "Made in USA" counterpart that also mentioned the Keyboard Component? So far, I've come across several KC titles that I don't have the USA version of. These are all sealed games, so it could be just that it exists and I haven't run across a sealed version. If you are trying to put your criteria in order, such that a later criteria does not overrule an earlier one, I would move #4 up higher. It really could go as high as you like. Additionally if you have one without the plastic tray and one with the plastic tray, the one with the tray is older. I would suggest that a GF from HK that doesn't mention the Keyboard Component might be older than a GF from US without the tray, but not really sure. There are at least nine titles that have US boxes with and without the tray and no mention of the Keyboard Component. As for the 19, I have all 19 both ways, so yes, they all exist. I am not sure the same can be said for the boxes which do not mention the Keyboard Component. Edited July 12, 2020 by BSRSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxpressed Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm glad to know that there are USA versions of all the KC titles. It turns out that I have only four USA KC titles sealed. It'll be calming to focus on getting the rest of those rather than chasing every sealed variant of every title as I used to do. I have about 120 sealed variants that "lose" out to a "keeper" using the criteria above (some doubles), so this is a serious streamlining of the collection. I think I'm going to have to not use "older" as a criterion because these are all sealed and I can't know if a tray is included or not. I wouldn't even trust weighing the box. I'm just going to go with the USA versions if I can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Reads almost like the Asimov robot law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) With the 1981-82 releases, those made in hong kong had plastic cartridge trays while those made in usa didn't. My preference is plastic trays but that's me. There's a few 1983 releases that had gatefold versions. How rare are they? Edited July 12, 2020 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 And which Space Armada to keep, red or blue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxpressed Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 Some examples I keep may be exceptions to the rules above. For example, I have gatefold versions of Burgertime and Mission X, but I wonder whether they came out after their non-gatefold versions. Same goes for Buzz Bombers, but I don’t have a gatefold version of that title. I think I’ll hang onto both variants of these Mattel titles bc there aren’t a lot of them. I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I'd just keep the gatefold versions of burgertime and missionx. I think they came before the regular 1983 box version and are more rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDumer Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 hours ago, mr_me said: With the 1981-82 releases, those made in hong kong had plastic cartridge trays while those made in usa didn't. My preference is plastic trays but that's me. For my 125 I also prefer plastic trays and so I count the HK versions if those are the only ones with trays. Just my personal take since I connected those trays to Intellivision so much growing up. 3 hours ago, mr_me said: And which Space Armada to keep, red or blue? This is another one where I count the blue Space Network games for the 125 since...I dunno...they are Space games! But I have the red Action Network (and blue Action Network) as “variants”. Similarly for the ECS games I count the smaller boxes as “the” games since they all came in the small box, but only some had gatefolds. I also have the gatefolds (except Melody Blaster) as variants. Same logic for the 1983 games; they all came out in the small boxes so I count those and have the gatefolds as variants. I guess consistency of box style is more important than date for me, but other than the exceptions above I go for the oldest version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 hours ago, boxpressed said: Some examples I keep may be exceptions to the rules above. For example, I have gatefold versions of Burgertime and Mission X, but I wonder whether they came out after their non-gatefold versions. Same goes for Buzz Bombers, but I don’t have a gatefold version of that title. I think I’ll hang onto both variants of these Mattel titles bc there aren’t a lot of them. I hope. Vectron is the fourth one in this gatefold group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamikazi26 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, cmart604 said: Vectron is the fourth one in this gatefold group. Vectron was always gatefold. No small box vectron except for Intellivision Inc. Are you thinking of the gatefold French Canadian Variants? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) Yes, this group of four Canadian bilingual editions that include Vectron, Burgertime, Buzz Bombers, and MissionX have a unique gatefold box. These have instructions printed in Canada and I suspect the boxes were also printed in Canada. Previously, Canadian bilingual editions were printed in Hong Kong. But from the 1983 subset, only Burgertime, Buzz Bombers, and MissionX came in rare gatefold editions for the US market. Edited July 12, 2020 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Kamikazi26 said: Vectron was always gatefold. No small box vectron except for Intellivision Inc. Are you thinking of the gatefold French Canadian Variants? Lol. Wait. Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humblejack Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, mr_me said: Yes, this group of four Canadian bilingual editions that include Vectron, Burgertime, Buzz Bombers, and MissionX have a unique gatefold box. These have instructions printed in Canada and I suspect the boxes were also printed in Canada. Previously, Canadian bilingual editions were printed in Hong Kong. But from the 1983 subset, only Burgertime, Buzz Bombers, and MissionX came in rare gatefold editions for the US market. I'm still looking for one anyway. (Vectron) Edited July 12, 2020 by Humblejack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinjinhawke Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Is that the one where the carts sit low in the Gatefold box? Really dislike that arrangement. Can’t say why but it bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, Sinjinhawke said: Is that the one where the carts sit low in the Gatefold box? Really dislike that arrangement. Can’t say why but it bothers me. Mostly cause it sucks and they always rip. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I still prefer them to having to open the bottom flap. Bottom/top flap is not a reusable friendly design at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamikazi26 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Humblejack said: I'm still looking for one anyway. (Vectron) Hahahaha.. I never know if you are actively collecting or not Humblejack! It's hard to stop eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humblejack Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Kamikazi26 said: Hahahaha.. I never know if you are actively collecting or not Humblejack! It's hard to stop eh? I always chase the one's I know are not out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intvsteve Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 On 7/12/2020 at 2:50 PM, cmart604 said: Mostly cause it sucks and they always rip. ? Yeah those boxes were made out of bounty paper towels I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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