rietveld Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I saw RFDiRocco's zip setup. I would like to install a zip using my IDE card. can i use any zip drive? or does it need to be ATAPI? Non ATAPI? 100?250? thanks in advance for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIAD Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 IIRC non-ATAPI and I’ve only heard of the 100Mb Zip drive being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamcon Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 hours ago, rietveld said: I saw RFDiRocco's zip setup. I would like to install a zip using my IDE card. can i use any zip drive? or does it need to be ATAPI? Non ATAPI? 100?250? thanks in advance for the help Original ZIP 100mb drive only, ATAPI will not work, no way, nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, adamcon said: Original ZIP 100mb drive only, ATAPI will not work, no way, nope non atatpi zips are very hard to find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamcon Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, rietveld said: non atatpi zips are very hard to find Exactly, that is the fun part. Remember, all this hardware dates back to the 80's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, adamcon said: Exactly, that is the fun part. Remember, all this hardware dates back to the 80's i am not sure how to even tell the difference between them; the IDE connector looks the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIAD Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, rietveld said: non atatpi zips are very hard to find To borrow an infamous line from Coleco.... The Fun of Discovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamcon Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 12 hours ago, rietveld said: i am not sure how to even tell the difference between them; the IDE connector looks the same The label says simply IDE Zip 100, the ATAPI is labeled also. It's all in the sticker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, adamcon said: The label says simply IDE Zip 100, the ATAPI is labeled also. It's all in the sticker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, adamcon said: The label says simply IDE Zip 100, the ATAPI is labeled also. It's all in the sticker i just bought this Tekman found this on ebay for me huge thanks to him i am running a MI dual IDE hard drive using your ide card. My plan is to replace the slave ide with the Zip100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamcon Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, rietveld said: i just bought this Tekman found this on ebay for me huge thanks to him i am running a MI dual IDE hard drive using your ide card. My plan is to replace the slave ide with the Zip100 Looks good mon..............I can email you the format disks, etc unless you want to give it a whirl your ownself. I looked at Ebay US & CA and they both had some available too. Edited September 15, 2020 by adamcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, adamcon said: Looks good mon..............I can email you the format disks, etc unless you want to give it a whirl your ownself. I looked at Ebay US & CA and they both had some available too. The disk images would be helpful i have an older win xp system with a zip 100 so i can easily make the zip disks once i ha ve the proper format disks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamcon Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 hours ago, rietveld said: The disk images would be helpful i have an older win xp system with a zip 100 so i can easily make the zip disks once i ha ve the proper format disks I may be off the curve here ...... but, I also wonder if you can just do a block copy of the cf drive #1 onto a zip disk.....................................seems like that would work, although I am not tech support or the programming brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, adamcon said: I may be off the curve here ...... but, I also wonder if you can just do a block copy of the cf drive #1 onto a zip disk.....................................seems like that would work, although I am not tech support or the programming brain yes you can that is how i made my 2 physical IDE hard drives. I used a usb to IDE adapter to connect a physical IDE drive to my laptop then used windows disk manager to format it. I then ran your CF card software writer and selected the IDE hard drive instead of CF card as the destination. Since this worked I decided to try this with a zip drive that is in an old Win xp computer and sure enough it wrote the image to the zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamcon Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, rietveld said: yes you can that is how i made my 2 physical IDE hard drives. I used a usb to IDE adapter to connect a physical IDE drive to my laptop then used windows disk manager to format it. I then ran your CF card software writer and selected the IDE hard drive instead of CF card as the destination. Since this worked I decided to try this with a zip drive that is in an old Win xp computer and sure enough it wrote the image to the zip Then it should work, the only software I used was the same as for making a physical IDE hard drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 30 minutes ago, adamcon said: Then it should work, the only software I used was the same as for making a physical IDE hard drive just waiting for the zip drive to make its way up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamcon Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, rietveld said: just waiting for the zip drive to make its way up here. Ok thinking....................OUCH, that hurt. The original software for IDE from Micro Innovations only allows 10 EOS and 4 TDOS partitions, while I think if you "copied" the cf IDE setup you got 20 EOS and 5 TDOS, correct? If so, the original will not be the best bet here.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, adamcon said: Ok thinking....................OUCH, that hurt. The original software for IDE from Micro Innovations only allows 10 EOS and 4 TDOS partitions, while I think if you "copied" the cf IDE setup you got 20 EOS and 5 TDOS, correct? If so, the original will not be the best bet here.............. yes the hard drive i am using noiw is a morror image of the CF card . 20 EOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGDiRocco Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Tell me what to pull up or take pictures of and I'll give it to you I hooked the drive up though I don't usually use it. I'll send you what I can. Edited September 16, 2020 by RGDiRocco typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, RGDiRocco said: Tell me what to pull up or take pictures of and I'll give it to you I hooked the drive up though I don't usually use it. I'll send you what I can. Thank you for taking time to help me. Are you using this as a stand alone drive plugged into the IDE card or are you running a hard drive and using this as the slave off of the ide cable? I have a dual IDE hard drive setup with 2 physical hard drives instead of CF cards. I would like to replace the slave with the zip so that i can swap hard drive images easily. How do you create empty disks ? and how hard is it to copy programs and files to the zip? sorry for all of the questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGDiRocco Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I have used it as both a stand alone and with an additional HD. It is looked at as if it is an HD no differently by MI Hard Disk Software. How do you create empty disks ? Using MI HD V3.9 I Partitioned the Zip as a 20meg, EOS 20, EOS Vol 10 and TDOS 2 then Init the directories. How hard is it to copy programs and files to the zip? Copying files is no different. Initially if Im duplicating I use FileManager 3.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 9 hours ago, RGDiRocco said: I have used it as both a stand alone and with an additional HD. It is looked at as if it is an HD no differently by MI Hard Disk Software. How do you create empty disks ? Using MI HD V3.9 I Partitioned the Zip as a 20meg, EOS 20, EOS Vol 10 and TDOS 2 then Init the directories. How hard is it to copy programs and files to the zip? Copying files is no different. Initially if Im duplicating I use FileManager 3.0 perfect. thank you as soon as i get the zip in i will be all set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGDiRocco Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Operational yet??? Give us a peek...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 17 hours ago, RGDiRocco said: Operational yet??? Give us a peek...... still waiting for ebay to send it up to Canada, said oct 10 but i am hoping it will be sooner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rietveld Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 10:00 PM, RGDiRocco said: Operational yet??? Give us a peek...... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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