DracIsBack Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 For a few months, I've been playing my Sega Dreamcast through a home theater and I've been enjoying the sound dimension that this adds to the games. Recently, I decided to hook up my Jaguar to the same receiver for the same purpose. I must confess that I was shocked that a lot of Jaguar games didn't seem to have stereo sound at all, even though the system has the capability to do both stereo and surround sound. Some, like KASUMI NINJA and a great many others are only mono sound. Others, like SUPER BURNOUT, have stereo sound but it's hardly noticeable. So that begs the question: What games do you think made good use of stereo sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysmith2000 Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 For a few months, I've been playing my Sega Dreamcast through a home theater and I've been enjoying the sound dimension that this adds to the games. Recently, I decided to hook up my Jaguar to the same receiver for the same purpose. I must confess that I was shocked that a lot of Jaguar games didn't seem to have stereo sound at all, even though the system has the capability to do both stereo and surround sound. Some, like KASUMI NINJA and a great many others are only mono sound. Others, like SUPER BURNOUT, have stereo sound but it's hardly noticeable. So that begs the question: What games do you think made good use of stereo sound? T2K. I have it on my Klipsch Kiosk and it ROCKS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariX Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Wolfenstein 3D. Iron Soldier 2 for the Jag CD has surround sound. I think it was cut out on the cart version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 For a few months, I've been playing my Sega Dreamcast through a home theater and I've been enjoying the sound dimension that this adds to the games. Recently, I decided to hook up my Jaguar to the same receiver for the same purpose. I must confess that I was shocked that a lot of Jaguar games didn't seem to have stereo sound at all, even though the system has the capability to do both stereo and surround sound. Some, like KASUMI NINJA and a great many others are only mono sound. Others, like SUPER BURNOUT, have stereo sound but it's hardly noticeable. So that begs the question: What games do you think made good use of stereo sound? Hmmmm... that's a good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willard Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 thunderbird, your link to scatologic doesn't work. I wonder if b... nahhh, that couldn't possibly use surround sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Most of the Jagcd titles have good stereo sound or surround, except maybe the Readysoft games like Dragons Lair, they sound like mono. off the top of my head ones that sound good in stereo: Aircars Battlesphere&I assume Gold Iron Soldier I-war T2k Defender2K HoverStrike (although it's backwards, boy did they screw up there! but if you switch left&right outputs it works good. HS:UL cd has it right) Fight for Life Skyhammer Cannon Fodder Hyperforce Rayman Misslecommand3D Ultra Vortek Towers II Zero NBA Jam (3D stereo) I know most of the others actually do, but many of them are not done well and hard to distinguish. I've had my Jag hooked up to stereo and/or surround since the beginning and most games sound pretty good to me, so just try some more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DracIsBack Posted August 18, 2003 Author Share Posted August 18, 2003 I don't remember RAYMAN having stereo sound. It's been a while since I've played it though. Got frustrated at not being able to find the last three electoons! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Some of these games (generally the 2D ones) only have the MUSIC in stereo, like Rayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredifredo Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 SuperBurnout is on Stereo , very very good musics by Alex Ekian ! with a player integrated ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DracIsBack Posted August 18, 2003 Author Share Posted August 18, 2003 I'll have to try Super Burnout again. I only played 2 tracks last night and only found minor use of STEREO on some of the drum tracks in the music. Found ULTRA VORTEK made much better use of stereo and so did Atari Karts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I'd just like to note that many games have Stereo sound, but that the seperation of the stereo channels isn't very good, so it pretty much sounds like the same sounds are coming out of both speakers, but, it stills sounds a lot better than if the game was done in mono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I'd just like to note that many games have Stereo sound, but that the seperation of the stereo channels isn't very good, so it pretty much sounds like the same sounds are coming out of both speakers, but, it stills sounds a lot better than if the game was done in mono. Exactly right. And further: all stereo games sound better on headphones since your perception of the stereo seperation is artificially increased by the position of the speakers on either side of your head. Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I'd just like to note that many games have Stereo sound, but that the seperation of the stereo channels isn't very good, so it pretty much sounds like the same sounds are coming out of both speakers, but, it stills sounds a lot better than if the game was done in mono. Exactly right. And further: all stereo games sound better on headphones since your perception of the stereo seperation is artificially increased by the position of the speakers on either side of your head. Stone Man! Your good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 Oh btw does anyone have the QSound module for Jag? I know I know, it would cost a fortune to liscence it in a game (and Atari's liscence wouldnt count since they dont publish Jag games for us guys hehe), but for purely home expirimentation it'd be a fun thing to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 I know Wolfenstein used Q-Sound, not sure if NBA Jam does too? I do know Atari picked up the licensing fees for it though. An interesting point is that all games using Q-Sound are actually generating all the sound in mono The action of the Q-Sound module is to delay the playback of this master channel differently on each channel in such a way as to fool you into thinking it's in stereo Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 I know Wolfenstein used Q-Sound, not sure if NBA Jam does too? I do know Atari picked up the licensing fees for it though. An interesting point is that all games using Q-Sound are actually generating all the sound in mono The action of the Q-Sound module is to delay the playback of this master channel differently on each channel in such a way as to fool you into thinking it's in stereo Stone Isn't that how sound works in real life? When someone fires a gun it doesn't generate different sound tracks for each ear. It makes a monophonic sound that takes different amounts of time to reach each ear. If anything was "fooling" the listener, it would be a sound sample played on two channels that used each channel to simulate the delay effect of QSound/Reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 Isn't that how sound works in real life? When someone fires a gun it doesn't generate different sound tracks for each ear. It makes a monophonic sound that takes different amounts of time to reach each ear. If anything was "fooling" the listener, it would be a sound sample played on two channels that used each channel to simulate the delay effect of QSound/Reality. Point taken Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 I know Wolfenstein used Q-Sound I've never heard this before. What's your source? An interesting point is that all games using Q-Sound are actually generating all the sound in mono Again, I've never heard this before. According to the QSound website, it can act on mono, stereo, and surround streams. The action of the Q-Sound module is to delay the playback of this master channel differently on each channel in such a way as to fool you into thinking it's in stereo Umm, no. QSound is a bit more complex than simulated-stereo algos. It's supposed to be able simulate 3-dimensional positional audio using as few as two speakers. Frankly I've yet to hear a convincing QSound demo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 I've never heard this before. What's your source? Think there's an internal memo posted somewhere on atarihq.com where they mention picking up the license fees. Again, I've never heard this before. According to the QSound website, it can act on mono, stereo, and surround streams. The Jag version acts on mono streams only. Read the Q-Sound section of the dev manual (page two, about QCreator). Umm, no. QSound is a bit more complex than simulated-stereo algos. It's supposed to be able simulate 3-dimensional positional audio using as few as two speakers. I thought the mono-only input sample on the Jag version made this the only way to do it. Not sure now Frankly I've yet to hear a convincing QSound demo. The Jag one is pretty nice even with the speakers on my 14" tv (which are about 15" apart). It's obviously not perfect (you're not going to flinch off to one side at the sound of gunshots or look over your shoulder to find out where the sound is coming from) but you can hear what's happening and it adds a tiny bit more realism to the program. Not worth the processing time IMHO, but it can sound quite good in some cases. The best I ever heard was on a ambient jungle soundtrack demo thing on the PC, they had a monkey call from just behind you and it was really surprising to hear the sound appear to come from a competely different direction that you expected Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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