TACODON Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Finally had time to watch that video interview. Very interesting and informative. I can't wait to hear what other people say once the NDAs cease. 4 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4793547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 12 hours ago, leech said: Clearly the system is not something you'd even be interested in at all. Because I mean, that's basically what it is. A Flashback, with some more oomph to it to run Switch +/- level games. I'm certainly interested in it, just for all the wrong reasons. It's been like watching a four year rolling train wreck. ? That's not to say that Atari couldn't have made a machine that'd have been much more attractive to me with the aid of a competent technology partner right from the beginning. I play their games and have used PCs in the living room for decades, after all. It's just that the machine they made is overpriced for what you're getting, underpowered for modern PC gaming, and took so long to develop that I've already upgraded the computer it could have potentially replaced to a much higher standard. 4 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4793665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Historian Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) Atari SA news, Chesnais out as CEO, Wade J. Rosen in. Splitting into 2 divisions: One for blockchain and another for everything else. Quote VCS: Atari will continue to support the Atari VCS through meaningful third-party content and exclusive first-party content. The VCS community has shown an ingenuity and creativity in adapting the system, and Atari will work to support this by releasing tools that will allow creators the ability to design their own classic Atari games (beginning with the Atari 2600). With an eventual goal of making it easier to create, share and play retro gaming content in the modern era. http://crweworld.com/article/news-provided-by-globenewswire/1945875/atari-announces-the-creation-of-two-divisions-atari-gaming-and-atari-blockchain-and-a-change-in-leadership Rosen is a younger gent (35 I think), perhaps his vision for Atari will better serve its fans. Edited April 6, 2021 by The Historian 5 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, The Historian said: Atari SA news, Chesnais out as CEO, Wade J. Rosen in. Splitting into 2 divisions: One for blockchain and another for everything else. http://crweworld.com/article/news-provided-by-globenewswire/1945875/atari-announces-the-creation-of-two-divisions-atari-gaming-and-atari-blockchain-and-a-change-in-leadership Rosen is a younger gent (35 I think), perhaps his vision for Atari will better serve its fans. Very interested to hear how the money was spit up. Smells really fishy to me. 1 4 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, Shawn said: Very interested to hear how the money was spit up. Smells really fishy to me. Rosen bought 10% of Atari SA's stock last year: https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/03/24/2005235/0/en/Atari-Addition-of-New-Major-Shareholder.html Chesnais is still on board per the original announcement, but no longer has general responsibility for or over the company: "Effective April 6, 2021, Wade J. Rosen will become Chief Executive Officer of the entire Atari Group, Frédéric Chesnais to focus on Atari Blockchain and Licensing" Perhaps "Atari Blockchain and Licensing" is the new longhand for "Elba". 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 hour ago, The Historian said: Rosen is a younger gent (35 I think), perhaps his vision for Atari will better serve its fans. A nice thought, but the increased focus on "blockchain" makes me reign in my optimism. 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockduck Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Very interesting news. This underscores the idea that the new VCS is really a project being done by Atari Gamebox LLC as a somewhat independent entity from the core of Atari. Should be interesting. The idea of making it easy to make 2600-style games is quite cool. Definitely leads to some questions about that retail launch though... 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Historian Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 3 hours ago, godslabrat said: A nice thought, but the increased focus on "blockchain" makes me reign in my optimism. That appears to be Chesnais' baby. 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 26 minutes ago, The Historian said: That appears to be Chesnais' baby. If ever there was a case for retroactive abortion... 1 4 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Shawn said: Very interested to hear how the money was spit up. Smells really fishy to me. That is the worst looking turducken I've ever seen. 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockduck Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Yeah, having read the full release now this seems to largely be, "Business as usual for the Games Division, a new Blockchain 'division' that aims to become a separate spin off and blockchain-powered IPO headed by Fred, who is super into crypto." So, mostly about positioning related to Crypto. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mockduck said: Yeah, having read the full release now this seems to largely be, "Business as usual for the Games Division, a new Blockchain 'division' that aims to become a separate spin off and blockchain-powered IPO headed by Fred, who is super into crypto." So, mostly about positioning related to Crypto. Given that crypto always seemed to be about gambling and skirting regulations while doing so, it's pretty on-brand that Fred is sticking close to that. 4 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy the Atarian Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Well, isn't that interesting. Either this guy will turn the ship or continue to manage the decline. I remember several years ago when Atari went through several CEOs over the course of a short time, until the bankruptcy came along. Fred certainly held on the longest. As for the VCS, I doubt that an Atari Game Maker or whatever it is could save the little PC that couldn't at this point, but that'll be a nice piece of software for those that bought the thing - at least until they release it on Steam down the road. Have they announced any "exclusive first-party content" yet, or are we still stuck on wildest hopes 'n dreams for all of that? 2 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, Shaggy the Atarian said: As for the VCS, I doubt that an Atari Game Maker or whatever it is could save the little PC that couldn't at this point, but that'll be a nice piece of software for those that bought the thing - at least until they release it on Steam down the road. Have they announced any "exclusive first-party content" yet, or are we still stuck on wildest hopes 'n dreams for all of that? Yeah, it seems an odd idea given that the 2600 isn't really capable of running a universal engine that'll offer you a wide variety of gameplay styles. Rather, once you get beyond two players with two missiles and a blocky playfield you're usually into the realms of rolling your own kernel, and that requires a fairly intimate knowledge of assembler and how a 1970s TV works. Either way, it's hard to see it being an attractive feature. On the other hand, maybe there'll be some PICO8 style system where you use a modern engine to make games with retro-style graphics and sound, or you just get to load custom ROMs on Vault? Or maybe they just don't know what they're talking about? We've seen plenty of that last one over the years. Anyway, Fred gets more time to spend with his true passions while the dumpster fires get palmed off onto some other poor sap. 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy the Atarian Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Yeah, it's probably the latter, as you make an excellent point - There's a reason why Super Mario Maker is restricted to one style of play like it is. Doing the extremely vague "Atari game" just doesn't make sense, especially in treating it like it were a fixed genre. Best I can figure, if this ever came to fruition, is something like Adventure/Haunted House Game Maker (which would just need to rip-off RPG Game Maker). Nothing else from the classic catalog really works for the "Maker" style concept - except maybe a track maker for Sprint or an arena maker for Tank/Combat? Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
svenski Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Given Rosen's other interests, some of which are retro related some of which obviously aren't, then we might see some positive traction but if the focus remains on Atari mobile and squeezing the last buck out of every free-to-play game then they may be in trouble. If this is a sign that Atari is going to focus primarily on games then that could be great news. It's not like they are short of a vast array of titles that could be reimagined, exclusively for a while, for the VCS. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 I just hope they don't do a Swordquest Hotel, you'd never find the right room. 11 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4796490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
justclaws Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 OEB-Pete, better known for his Amico coverage, made a video about the VCS store. In the comments, people asked about comparing Amico and VCS, but I do believe, myself, that they're not for the same niche. The Amico is being marketed as family couch co-op system to mums and dads, and the VCS store will be more diverse. I would love to see some game cross-over one day, like there was in the old days! (I recommended he overcome he not overlook Frog-Hop, which for sure is the most visually retro-games in the store, but once played, it's a great game, with charm.) 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4797979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonAttack82 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Can the market support 2 underpowered systems at the same time? ? 6 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4798777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, DemonAttack82 said: Can the market support 2 underpowered systems at the same time? ? Ha, from the perspective of the PC Master Race, all consoles are underpowered game systems. So yes. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4798792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, DemonAttack82 said: Can the market support 2 underpowered systems at the same time? ? There's always been Nintendo with their generation behind consoles I guess having 50 versions of Mario or Zelda to choose from makes up for that. If only Atari had a mascot. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4798806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, Stephen said: There's always been Nintendo with their generation behind consoles I guess having 50 versions of Mario or Zelda to choose from makes up for that. If only Atari had a mascot. Super Bently Bear! Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4798820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy the Atarian Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 39 minutes ago, Stephen said: There's always been Nintendo with their generation behind consoles I guess having 50 versions of Mario or Zelda to choose from makes up for that. If only Atari had a mascot. For some reason, someone over at Atari has thought that it's the eyes from Haunted House. What a universe of possibilities there!* -Super Haunted House Bros. -Dr. Haunted House -Haunted Smash Bros. House -The Legend of Haunted House -Paper Haunted House RPG -Haunted House Paint -Haunted House: Ocarina of Time -House of the Haunted: Scarlet Dawn -Hauntipede -Major Haunted House Havoc -Crystal Haunted Houses -Untitled Haunted House Game (w/ Geese Eyes) -Match-3 Haunted House -Ninja Golf's Haunted House -I, Haunted House -Haunted House The Hedgehog -Blockchain Haunted House *All rip-offs of other, better concepts, excepting Blockchain! RU READY 4 DA BLOCKCHAIN TRAIN? 3 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4798836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, Shaggy the Atarian said: Dr. Haunted House And here all this time I thought his first name was Greg. Also saw a thing that showed that the producer of House thought Hugh Laurie was an American the whole time... 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4798853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy the Atarian Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, leech said: And here all this time I thought his first name was Greg. Also saw a thing that showed that the producer of House thought Hugh Laurie was an American the whole time... Well, I was thinking of Dr. Mario, but you could totally do a Haunted Hospital with House limping around and being a douchebag to patients too. Endless possibilities! 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/135/#findComment-4798854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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