godslabrat Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, x=usr(1536) said: I may be slightly brain-dead today, so pardon the question if it's blatantly obvious and I just missed it: what does the 'Total Ruse' column represent? The number of days passed between the announcement of the console and the current day, OR when the console ships/is cancelled , whichever is first. Basically, how long the malarkey went on. Edited November 28, 2020 by godslabrat 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, godslabrat said: The number of days passed between the announcement of the console and the current day, OR when the console ships/is cancelled , whichever is first. Basically, how long the malarkey went on. Gotcha. Thought it might have been something along those lines, but appreciate the clarification. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 That's as opposed to the 'total rubes' count, which would be the number of people who ordered one. ? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, Matt_B said: That's as opposed to the 'total rubes' count, which would be the number of people who ordered one. ? I don't have those numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsus Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Defensive bunch those IGG fans ... Stefanie Wormer has a real potty mouth on her. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 4:38 PM, Shawn said: In other news, the sky is blue Right now the sky’s grey... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACODON Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Chopsus said: Defensive bunch those IGG fans ... Stefanie Wormer has a real potty mouth on her. You should go experience the Facebook group the Werner Bros run. If it is still up that is. The old VCS thread documents many folks dealings with them from that fiasco. Any thing got folks banned or publicly humiliated in that group. Never questions them. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBeefy Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, TACODON said: You should go experience the Facebook group the Werner Bros run. If it is still up that is. The old VCS thread documents many folks dealings with them from that fiasco. Any thing got folks banned or publicly humiliated in that group. Never questions them. Seems like the retro revival brought out some retro zealots. I haven't checked on them in awhile. Still a pointless group I'm assuming? Is it still just a bunch of, "it's not a scam," or "hey maybe they can have this game," talk still? Hope they get it, and its everything they've always wanted. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I'm curious; why is the VCS such a source of contention for folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Just now, rickcollette said: I'm curious; why is the VCS such a source of contention for folks? In short, it's the most visible example of the current trend of "retro-ish consoles that serve no actual purpose". It's also the latest project by the company currently calling itself "Atari" to raise money and deliver nothing of substance. It offers nothing to consumers, and anyone who's thrown money in its direction was lied to. The only variable is how much they care about being lied to. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCAT Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) ^ May I add this is the EXACT mentality of "collectors" that are banking on the collection they have to cash out one day. By taking ill of the VCS you are basically F-ing with thier money, a big no-no. This is what Tim Atwood did when he got fed up of those collectors that were hoarding all the copies of Stadium events and such... by dumping a ton of SEAAAAAALED games into the public eye the prices of those games they have dropped like a sack of potatoes from the back of a wagon, or an Atari Token ? Edited November 29, 2020 by OCAT 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Or an Atari Jaguar in 1997! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 On the other hand, the more of a failure that it is, the more the units will be worth in the long run. The absolute worst thing that could happen for speculators is for Atari to run off a few hundred thousand of them that end up having to be sold off at a huge discount because nobody's biting at $400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCAT Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) ^ i am betting that they are betting that the first batch are going to be worth the most to collectors, sort of like how games with hang-tabs intact or how the first 4GB iphones are worth the most. But I see your logic, as a collector they are the ones that should be trash talking this thing if they care about rarity and profits! This time the console is what they have to collect since there are no physical games. Edited November 29, 2020 by OCAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 If l'Atari is actually producing these at all, and they seems to be, I think it's going to end up filling the thousands of pre-orders, with a modest number more for show. This would have the effect of not making the unit rare enough to be worth seeking, but also not common enough to catch on. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACODON Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I left the Werner group ages ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCAT Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) ^^ But how do we know that Atari has produced the units? what if they only made those 96 units and just copy paste the image? What if there is a flaw that causes the units to self destruct because it becomes self-aware and destroys itself because of shame? This is too much fun, so what is the latest reason why the units are not shipping? let me guess. "The printer ran out of ink so we cannot print shipping labels, and being Atari we only use responsibly sourced fair trade ink that is not harmful to mother earth, such as Octopus ink and there is a short supply" ? Hail Hydra... Edited November 30, 2020 by OCAT 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 12:44 PM, Yak said: Regarding Tempest, do you think they would: (a) Commission a proper dedicated version for their console; OR (b) Simply half ass it by running the PC version in an emulation mode? Been chewing on this one for a couple of days, because I'm really not quite certain as to which way to jump on it. It's also an interesting question, seeing as how you wrote T4K About the best answer I can give is that I'd hope they'd go for (a), but would expect them to go with (b). My suspicion that they have no money for software development remains intact, however. Steam and Antstream seem to be their answer to the question of, "what games can this play, anyway?" for anything other than whatever emulated 2600 games they intend to bundle with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, OCAT said: What if there is a flaw that causes the units to self destruct because it becomes self-aware and destroys itself because of shame? Quoting for the sheer awesomeness of this! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACODON Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The VCS learns what pain is and realizes pain is all it will ever know. Kinda sad in a way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamm Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, x=usr(1536) said: My suspicion that they have no money for software development remains intact, however. Steam and Antstream seem to be their answer to the question of, "what games can this play, anyway?" for anything other than whatever emulated 2600 games they intend to bundle with it. If they were ever going to pay for a dedicated version of Tempest, they would've done it already. That move alone would've sold a lot of units or at least generated lots of valuable buzz. Edited November 30, 2020 by jamm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 hours ago, OCAT said: ^ i am betting that they are betting that the first batch are going to be worth the most to collectors, sort of like how games with hang-tabs intact or how the first 4GB iphones are worth the most. But I see your logic, as a collector they are the ones that should be trash talking this thing if they care about rarity and profits! This time the console is what they have to collect since there are no physical games. I believe this is gonna be more like an Ouya than a Iphone 4GB in the long run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 10:44 AM, Yak said: Regarding Tempest, do you think they would: (a) Commission a proper dedicated version for their console; OR (b) Simply half ass it by running the PC version in an emulation mode? If you didn't get a few pounds for them using your game, to advertise the console, you have your answer. Be prepared to get paid with AtariTokens and/or shares, if at all. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsus Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, TACODON said: I left the Werner group ages ago. Yes ... I walked away after a few days ... silliness incarnate. the real VCS threat isn’t speculators, it’s scalpers given claims that all GameStop and Walmart stock has been sold ... next they will be on eBay for more than a PS5! ? Edited November 30, 2020 by Chopsus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikebloke Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, Chopsus said: Yes ... I walked away after a few days ... silliness incarnate. the real VCS threat isn’t speculators, it’s scalpers given claims that all GameStop and Walmart stock has been sold ... next they will be on eBay for more than a PS5! ? While you joke, there may be a day when this is actually true if systems like the nuon or and 64GS is any example of what happens with a failed system ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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