wierd_w Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, zzip said: RLL has more sectors per track. 26 vs 18 I think if memory serves. You could also format some MFM drives as RLL for extra storage. Some RLL controllers were SCSI devices. Think of it this way.. drives now generally have controllers integrated in them, but back then drives were a lot dumber, and needed an external controller and thats what the MFM/RLL provided. SCSI could talk to drives with internal or external controllers. It all made for a big mess Additionally, there were differences in how the bit transition patterns were written. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-length_limited#MFM:_(1,3)_RLL vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_frequency_modulation#MFM_coding RLL was more "efficient" in its encoding, which is why it could get more sectors per track, but did so at the expense of read-fault reliability being degraded compared to MFM. Some drives told you straight up in their manual NOT to use them with an RLL controller, because the head could not accurately pick out the transition patterns with RLL encoding. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/337017-atari-pc4-28616mhz-with-goodies-has-arrived/page/4/#findComment-5094486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, wierd_w said: Additionally, there were differences in how the bit transition patterns were written. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-length_limited#MFM:_(1,3)_RLL vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_frequency_modulation#MFM_coding RLL was more "efficient" in its encoding, which is why it could get more sectors per track, but did so at the expense of read-fault reliability being degraded compared to MFM. Some drives told you straight up in their manual NOT to use them with an RLL controller, because the head could not accurately pick out the transition patterns with RLL encoding. Ha, yeah I discovered all of this after I posted and did some reading. But kept trying to find a way to back them up. Check this out! https://www.drem.info/ Damn! That price! This is what happens when there is no competition! Edited July 26, 2022 by leech 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/337017-atari-pc4-28616mhz-with-goodies-has-arrived/page/4/#findComment-5094822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 Now that it’s all done and put back together, placed near some wall space in the studio next to the STe. A nice Saturday night and what the PC4 was made for.. Larry Laffer and whatever pixelated sun bathing beach… girls love that the little boom box is outputting the sound blaster audio. I didn’t have speakers and I forgot about this having the ability to accept Aux input! 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/337017-atari-pc4-28616mhz-with-goodies-has-arrived/page/4/#findComment-5097216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 8 hours ago, Clint Thompson said: Now that it’s all done and put back together, placed near some wall space in the studio next to the STe. A nice Saturday night and what the PC4 was made for.. Larry Laffer and whatever pixelated sun bathing beach… girls love that the little boom box is outputting the sound blaster audio. I didn’t have speakers and I forgot about this having the ability to accept Aux input! It is a seriously good looking machine. There is some style to it. So many of the 286 era machines I have seen pretty much all looked like Compaq or IBM. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/337017-atari-pc4-28616mhz-with-goodies-has-arrived/page/4/#findComment-5097404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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