Intellivision Amico’s trademark changed to ‘abandoned’

[Flojomojo]

12 hours ago, Bill Loguidice said:

I agree. Like I said, I just didn't see a justification back when the VCS was just an idea and I didn't see one after they turned it into a product. The justification was literally because it's "Atari." That absolutely works on a small percentage of people, but not enough to make a sustainable product. There's no reason to play those games on the VCS over any other platform except for those who like the twisting classic controller, and that could have just as easily been made strictly a third party controller for other systems with similar sales. 

I agree from the product perspective. It was a me-too product that did everything a little worse than everything already available for sale. From a business perspective, I always thought that they were plumping themselves up to look more appealing in an acquisition, to sell off the brand. Don't ask me why taking on the risk and cost of hardware manufacturing would increase their desirability, I don't understand how that works, except to pay lip service to "diversification." They were also throwing out increasingly desperate gimmicks like casino and hotel branding in addition to their crypto crap and Speaker Hats. 

 

Intellivision also spoke of "exits" with the least imaginative list of potential partners since @Tommy Tallarico tweeted at Elon Musk.

 

 

It's looking increasingly dire for Atari but I like their new games-only approach a lot more and I hope they pull through. As for Intellivision, I've been so soured on them by the Amico fiasco, I'd be fine if they just went away and never came back. 

 

[Flojomojo]

Oh I forgot to mention my support for what AtGames is trying to do. They shipped a lot of low-cost products and had pretty good distribution on tiny margins, as Bill points out. Sometimes quality slipped a little, but I always appreciated their packaging, licensing, and seeing some old game names available for purchase. I'm a little sad that the market has moved on, even while I recognize that nobody needs any more mini consoles. 

 

Back on topic, the Amico "quiet period" has gone on for like 9 months now. I wish they'd get on with dissolving themselves already, or defending their fraudulent company in court. Maybe I should start playing online backgammon so I can get a moment with everyone's favorite former CEO. 

[Bill Loguidice]

31 minutes ago, Flojomojo said:

Back on topic, the Amico "quiet period" has gone on for like 9 months now. I wish they'd get on with dissolving themselves already, or defending their fraudulent company in court. Maybe I should start playing online backgammon so I can get a moment with everyone's favorite former CEO. 

I imagine we'll have to hear something definitive in 2023. This surely can't go on beyond that, even for the most delusional of supporters. This project began back in mid-2018 and was initially supposed to be released in late 2020. Surely, one way or another, this saga has to end by late 2023 at the latest.

[MrBeefy]

1 hour ago, Razzie.P said:

I'm not familiar with all their product line, but that sounds like the Gamer Legends one that I was talking about.   If so, good news for you then -- if the input lag and delay on that mess doesn't bother ya, Farkle on Amico (or whatever game they showed with lag) should run like a dream.

What games are you playing? I know the lag is there, but nothing gamebreaking. But I can also handle playing on my RPi. I haven't tried any fighting games which is where I would probably notice it the most.

 

And almost every game they showed had lag. I think more games had lag than didn't. Remember when he promised on his dead sisters grave there was no lag? Weird play considering the videos they were showing were showing lag that was clearly visible.

42 minutes ago, Hwlngmad said:

Ditto here.  I have the model previous to this version featured here.  I think it is a good little device.  Granted, it is a bit cheap looking and feeling, and doesn't work the greatest.  Still, for what it is, I think it does a pretty darn good job.  Definitely I would very much like to have the woodgrain model as I believe that is the best iteration of the handheld line.

I think it's the expectation to price sliding scale. For the price the AtGames items I have met my expectations.

37 minutes ago, Flojomojo said:

I agree from the product perspective. It was a me-too product that did everything a little worse than everything already available for sale. From a business perspective, I always thought that they were plumping themselves up to look more appealing in an acquisition, to sell off the brand. Don't ask me why taking on the risk and cost of hardware manufacturing would increase their desirability, I don't understand how that works, except to pay lip service to "diversification." They were also throwing out increasingly desperate gimmicks like casino and hotel branding in addition to their crypto crap and Speaker Hats. 

 

Intellivision also spoke of "exits" with the least imaginative list of potential partners since @Tommy Tallarico tweeted at Elon Musk.

 

 

It's looking increasingly dire for Atari but I like their new games-only approach a lot more and I hope they pull through. As for Intellivision, I've been so soured on them by the Amico fiasco, I'd be fine if they just went away and never came back. 

Story on the street is they went to Microsoft and they laughed them out of the room when asked if they wanted to purchase them. I think someone else offered to give them not quite $2 million, but had no interest in hardware amd only the IPs.

 

Each day @Tommy Tallarico ran his mouth was another day their value dropped. 

 

Hey @SegaSnatcher look at this gem!

So how does it feel to be proven wrong time and time again you untalented jealous gatekeeping!

 

Hey @Tommy Tallarico how about you release a console? That would be something for you to be able to prove SegaSnatcher wrong!

 

Wouldn't that be something?

 

 

 

[MrBeefy]

38 minutes ago, Bill Loguidice said:

I imagine we'll have to hear something definitive in 2023. This surely can't go on beyond that, even for the most delusional of supporters. This project began back in mid-2018 and was initially supposed to be released in late 2020. Surely, one way or another, this saga has to end by late 2023 at the latest.

Oh you underestimate stupidity and how badly people chose to be brainwashed. I mean you still have people in this thread who believe 100% of what comes out of the mouths of IE, despite there being obvious lies and contradictions.

 

Amicolytes are real!

[jerseystyle]

2 hours ago, Bill Loguidice said:

I imagine we'll have to hear something definitive in 2023. This surely can't go on beyond that, even for the most delusional of supporters. This project began back in mid-2018 and was initially supposed to be released in late 2020. Surely, one way or another, this saga has to end by late 2023 at the latest.

[Flojomojo]

@MrBeefy I hadn’t heard that about Microsoft, how funny. And a $2M offer for the IP is about $1.9999M more than it’s probably worth now. 

[Rev]

5 hours ago, Flojomojo said:

I agree from the product perspective. It was a me-too product that did everything a little worse than everything already available for sale. From a business perspective, I always thought that they were plumping themselves up to look more appealing in an acquisition, to sell off the brand. Don't ask me why taking on the risk and cost of hardware manufacturing would increase their desirability, I don't understand how that works, except to pay lip service to "diversification." They were also throwing out increasingly desperate gimmicks like casino and hotel branding in addition to their crypto crap and Speaker Hats. 

 

Intellivision also spoke of "exits" with the least imaginative list of potential partners since @Tommy Tallarico tweeted at Elon Musk.

 

 

It's looking increasingly dire for Atari but I like their new games-only approach a lot more and I hope they pull through. As for Intellivision, I've been so soured on them by the Amico fiasco, I'd be fine if they just went away and never came back. 

 

They also spoke of selling the whole thing off in this interview. 

 

How about actually build and launch a console BEFORE selling off to faceless big business?  
 

Sounds like a get rich quick investment scheme. 
 

 

[Rev]

4 hours ago, Bill Loguidice said:

I imagine we'll have to hear something definitive in 2023. This surely can't go on beyond that, even for the most delusional of supporters. This project began back in mid-2018 and was initially supposed to be released in late 2020. Surely, one way or another, this saga has to end by late 2023 at the latest.

Dont be so sure about that prediction….

 

Amico will be dragged out as long as needed until the creditors and investors give up chase. 

[Rev]

1 hour ago, Flojomojo said:

@MrBeefy I hadn’t heard that about Microsoft, how funny. And a $2M offer for the IP is about $1.9999M more than it’s probably worth now. 

fixed that for you. 
 

now amico themed

[Flojomojo]

1 hour ago, Rev said:

They also spoke of selling the whole thing off in this interview. 

 

How about actually build and launch a console BEFORE selling off to faceless big business?  
 

Sounds like a get rich quick investment scheme. 
 

 

Remember how that guy was lured to this site to "debate" with Tommy, only to get dogpiled by @Tommy Tallarico groupies, and banned from the whole site? Not AtariAge's finest hour. 

[Cebus Capucinis]

Four more days! On SUNDAY!!! I decided I'm going to set it up right between my VCS and my Switch, just so I can play them side by side and really show how the Amico is superior to them in every way. It's going to be so cool seeing those fun, family friendly graphics on screen beating the pants off the competition.

 

When do you guys think the second wave of games will come out? I'm so stoked to load up my digital Amico library with every title, especially if it's got Tommy's individual touch on the music 

[SteveTheColecoDude]

Unfortunately for Tommy it doesn't seem like his dog is a big a fan of Beethoven as he is - https://www.reddit.com/r/Intellivision_Amico/comments/zrtrm6/when_doing_a_house_tour_video_wouldnt_you_want_to/

 

Edited December 22, 2022 by SteveTheColecoDude

[Matt_B]

3 hours ago, Rev said:

Dont be so sure about that prediction….

 

Amico will be dragged out as long as needed until the creditors and investors give up chase. 

The SEC declaration said that they had some loans that were due to be paid off around now. It might be that the process of calling those in has already started, and they're on borrowed time already.

 

That said, I'd guess that the flurry of activity (as much as you can call it that) around them giving the two units to YouTubers was an attempt to make it look as though something was happening in order to get their creditors to hold off. Maybe it worked? Maybe the loans were just going to get written off anyway? They'll certainly be trying to drag it out.

[MrBeefy]

7 hours ago, Flojomojo said:

@MrBeefy I hadn’t heard that about Microsoft, how funny. And a $2M offer for the IP is about $1.9999M more than it’s probably worth now. 

It was most likely pitched with the idea of Tommy still being the face of Amico. They probably told IE they would need to be paid to take Tommy off their hands.

6 hours ago, Rev said:

They also spoke of selling the whole thing off in this interview. 

 

How about actually build and launch a console BEFORE selling off to faceless big business?  
 

Sounds like a get rich quick investment scheme. 
 

That's why I keep saying the goal wasn't for them to make the console. It was to sell the company and put that headache on someone else's shoulders.

 

It matches with their actions. Drum up fake enthusiasm, do just enough to show some progress to a buyer. They just thought they were some big shits, and never thought they would ever need to full commit to making them.

 

They dragged their feet on the BOM and ordering parts. They took around two years post initial launch to have two possible manufacture ready consoles (ones shown previously were not the same specs). It took them around two years post initial launch to even get the firmware done. Pack in games were not ready by initial launch date. And everyone's favorite, no FCC certs which should have been done in 2019 or 2020 if they planned to ever release in 2020. 2023 is around the corner and they still haven't committed to that one basic step.

 

They had enough time at the office to set up Hater Dungeons and Ferrari parking spaces, and decorate with big metal running man signs. You know the important things for a company working on a hardware project that was behind schedule. Hardware? Software? Games? Certifications? That's for amateurs.

3 hours ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

Four more days! On SUNDAY!!! I decided I'm going to set it up right between my VCS and my Switch, just so I can play them side by side and really show how the Amico is superior to them in every way. It's going to be so cool seeing those fun, family friendly graphics on screen beating the pants off the competition.

 

When do you guys think the second wave of games will come out? I'm so stoked to load up my digital Amico library with every title, especially if it's got Tommy's individual touch on the music 

You are going to put the Amico between the Porn Machine and the Taco Machine? Bold move.

 

[MrBeefy]

6 hours ago, Flojomojo said:

Remember how that guy was lured to this site to "debate" with Tommy, only to get dogpiled by @Tommy Tallarico groupies, and banned from the whole site? Not AtariAge's finest hour. 

I missed this post the first go around. What makes it even better was it was the sock puppet who told him to come here. Iirc Tommy even told jaybird to get the ban hammer ready or some similar sentiment.

[rayik]

Remember the Q&A Amico Fun thread started in February 2019.  The thread that occurred on Atari Age but which can't be read it here.  That you have to go to https://amicoage.neocities.org to read.  You only have to go 10 pages into that thread to see that TT was sprouting nonsense from the very beginning. 

 

Starting in February 2019 TT was already announcing that great surprises about the system and games would soon be revealed in June 2019 at the E3 convention.  Of course that never happened.  Since it was June 2019, the Covid pandemic could not be the excuse for it not happening.

 

From when TT's started his thread, there was over 1 year to get things done before Covid started and 20 months before the initial release date.  Yet for years TT would say the console delay was because of the pandemic.  But during the same pandemic they were able to open and staff multiple offices around the world.

 

As you read the thread it pretty much degenerates into TT attacking anyone who asks questions he does not like.  Eventually a specific moderator would come along and ban individuals seemingly at TT's direction.

 

What's also amazing is that can't read what occurred at AA on AA.

Edited December 22, 2022 by rayik

[roots.genoa]

7 hours ago, SteveTheColecoDude said:

Unfortunately for Tommy it doesn't seem like his dog is a big a fan of Beethoven as he is - https://www.reddit.com/r/Intellivision_Amico/comments/zrtrm6/when_doing_a_house_tour_video_wouldnt_you_want_to/

 

I like how he manages to mention who is his famous cousin in less than 16 seconds 🙂

 

8 hours ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

When do you guys think the second wave of games will come out? I'm so stoked to load up my digital Amico library with every title, especially if it's got Tommy's individual touch on the music 

I'm afraid you'll have to wait 5 more years for the second wave. See, all the retailers advised them to postpone it, and the data™️ confirmed it; if you release it too soon it conveys the wrong impression to the audience, that the Amico is a successful console. Gamestop in particular was very adamant that the Amico should cost way too much and offer very few games for a very long time. I know it could sound weird but that's because you're no industry legend™️ and you know nothing about the business. 😎

[Rowsdower70]

7 hours ago, rayik said:

 

 

As you read the thread it pretty much degenerates into TT attacking anyone who asks questions he does not like.  Eventually a specific moderator would come along and ban individuals seemingly at TT's direction.

 

You can go ahead and call out jaybird, we all know it was him.   AA knows it was him.   I think he and Tommy are having a nice game of backgammon together. 

[Wayler]

You better watch out

You better not write

You better not post

I'm telling you why

Tommy T is banning you all

 

They're making a list

They're checking it twice

They're gonna find out who's racist and nice

Atari Age is hiding it all

 

They see you when you're gatekeeping

And they know you when you're not positive

They know if you've been bad or good

So be good for Tommy's sake

 

You better watch out
You better not smile
You better not laugh
I'm telling you why
Amico is not coming
I mean the big fat con with the long long death
Amico is not coming at all!

 

 

 

[atarifan88]

10 hours ago, MrBeefy said:

It was most likely pitched with the idea of Tommy still being the face of Amico. They probably told IE they would need to be paid to take Tommy off their hands.

That's why I keep saying the goal wasn't for them to make the console. It was to sell the company and put that headache on someone else's shoulders.

So basically they were just in it to sell the idea of a new game console? Seems like an amateurish thing to do as anyone with half a brain could come up with the idea! Making the product is where the real work comes in. Not even all those years of "experience" would amount to anything getting produced with the exception of a money-making scam...

[MrBeefy]

8 hours ago, rayik said:

Remember the Q&A Amico Fun thread started in February 2019.  The thread that occurred on Atari Age but which can't be read it here.  That you have to go to https://amicoage.neocities.org to read.  You only have to go 10 pages into that thread to see that TT was sprouting nonsense from the very beginning. 

 

Starting in February 2019 TT was already announcing that great surprises about the system and games would soon be revealed in June 2019 at the E3 convention.  Of course that never happened.  Since it was June 2019, the Covid pandemic could not be the excuse for it not happening.

 

From when TT's started his thread, there was over 1 year to get things done before Covid started and 20 months before the initial release date.  Yet for years TT would say the console delay was because of the pandemic.  But during the same pandemic they were able to open and staff multiple offices around the world.

 

As you read the thread it pretty much degenerates into TT attacking anyone who asks questions he does not like.  Eventually a specific moderator would come along and ban individuals seemingly at TT's direction.

 

What's also amazing is that can't read what occurred at AA on AA.

Yup. It is easy to see that he was lying from pretty much the start. AA was the marketing. It is even in the pitch deck. AA is what made him and the project seem legit.

 

Think about it. Here was really the only place that it seemed to gain traction. This was the one place he could direct investors or potential buyers too. It is a huge retro gaming site.

 

He tried to do some of that on YT but its too big and random. Not to mention he couldn't ever get Amico to catch on with someone big. SmashJT, and RTUSA (who is trying to rewrite history but loved it because Eff Pat) were the best he could do.

 

AA was always a constant that had a bunch of AA one thread posters. His thread being locked took away his one constant thing that legitimized him.

 

59 minutes ago, Rowsdower70 said:

You can go ahead and call out jaybird, we all know it was him.   AA knows it was him.   I think he and Tommy are having a nice game of backgammon together. 

Backgammon is fun. The wife would play it all the time on Clubhouse Games on the Switch.

 

Jaybird didn't help make things look better. He started running with this back pocket moderator line. If you go back and read it no one actually accused him of it but he acted like they did. I PMd with him during my numerous threads in which you couldn't really discuss anything unless Tommy liked it. I tried giving him tips as to why anyone would think he was a back pocket mod.

 

He also said something dumb once that read as Tommy getting special treatment to me and immediately posted another message walking it back saying that wasn't what he meant by it.

 

I even watched him delete other modes posts. It was just weird. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Tommy was lying to him behind the scenes saying all these people were doing/saying things when they weren't. He did stuff like that to the shills too.

 

I think jaybird kind of self fulfilled prophecied that one up unfortunately. The problem in the beginning as noted he was all talk but had nothing to show. 4 years later all there is still nothing to show. Tommy talked about things as if they were facts. When in reality it was his magical thinking in hopes The Secret would make it come true.

 

Just sad so many fell for it and his BS made a lot of people question AA. Which unfortunately I saw coming when I did that post showing how Tommy talks as if he speaks for AA. That post really pissed off Tommy. That post was the moment I also muted him. 🤣

[MrBeefy]

51 minutes ago, atarifan88 said:

So basically they were just in it to sell the idea of a new game console? Seems like an amateurish thing to do as anyone with half a brain could come up with the idea! Making the product is where the real work comes in. Not even all those years of "experience" would amount to anything getting produced with the exception of a money-making scam...

Oh they totally were working on stuff. It just wasn't with fidelity. You have people who bought into their years of experience. They used that as to why "it isn't a scam". They said Tommy would never risk his reputation on a scam. People said that here as well as YT.

 

I never once thought they didn't want a console to be made. They just wanted it to be made by _______ (whoever bought them).

 

The idea was to build this fake enthusiasm. Think back to those 2 second sizzle reals. Think about the talk of how "they haven't started marketing" yet. Look at all these preorders and "purchase orders" we got with "zero marketing dollars spent". Then you take that to a potential buyer and say, "Hey look at all this excitement for our product. Our data shows everyone wants to game together again. Look at how the retrogamers are loving it at AA. Look at how many people are liking Amico YT videos and how there aren't any negative comments and there are so many likes on our videos!"

 

"Now we are a small company and don't have the ability to meet this huge demand. We haven't spent a dime on marketing. Just think with your folks budgets and marketing teams where you could take Amico."

 

"Oh and I'm Tommy "two shits" Tallarico. I'm a big deal. When you buy it I can still stay on as the face man to promote it."

 

Hey new partner announcement! Amico is now partnered with Kenner!

[Razzie.P]

On 12/21/2022 at 10:58 AM, MrBeefy said:

What games are you playing? I know the lag is there, but nothing gamebreaking. But I can also handle playing on my RPi. I haven't tried any fighting games which is where I would probably notice it the most.

 

 

 

Not to derail the tread into an AtGames hate fest, but since you asked --- I'd have to plug it in to get specific titles, but it was pretty much all of them providing a much lesser experience that should be accepted, in my opinion.   None are gamebreaking in the sense of "this game doesn't work," but definitely gamebreaking to me in the sense of "it takes this good game and makes a frustrating experience to play."  And of course I know that's completely subjective and just one dweeb's opinion, but I've seen enough people come away with negative impressions of great games (that they also found great when played elsewhere) to feel my opinion isn't totally off.

 

And I'm not a snobby purist either  😁   I play on Mister, RPi, emulation, downloaded to console, etc etc

 

 

But I do have a similar sentiment to these types of products that I've seen you express for Amico types of scams -- if everyone continues to accept it, that's all we'll continue to get

[MrBeefy]

1 hour ago, Razzie.P said:

Not to derail the tread into an AtGames hate fest, but since you asked --- I'd have to plug it in to get specific titles, but it was pretty much all of them providing a much lesser experience that should be accepted, in my opinion.   None are gamebreaking in the sense of "this game doesn't work," but definitely gamebreaking to me in the sense of "it takes this good game and makes a frustrating experience to play."  And of course I know that's completely subjective and just one dweeb's opinion, but I've seen enough people come away with negative impressions of great games (that they also found great when played elsewhere) to feel my opinion isn't totally off.

 

And I'm not a snobby purist either  😁   I play on Mister, RPi, emulation, downloaded to console, etc etc

 

 

But I do have a similar sentiment to these types of products that I've seen you express for Amico types of scams -- if everyone continues to accept it, that's all we'll continue to get

That's why I usually qualify most of it with price. If I paid A1Up prices for my AtGames Legends stick I'd care more. I have the 2 player version with trackball and got it for $99.

 

I've had plenty of fun playing beat em ups on it. And Jr Beef likes me playing the Fix it Felix game. Which I need to see if I'm still ranked on that one lol.

 

I almost bought some of their Blasts, BUT I would have less expectations for those because they are budget. If Amico was still $150 I would be way more forgiving. And I was during that time. If you listened to my interview with @Michael Garvey that was my only real concern was price and if they could find their market. 

 

Both of which were valid concerns. Amico is like buying an AtGame product at PS4 prices.