Ricky Spanish Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 It absolutely will not boot up at the defaultSIO at $06 69000, but will boot at anything slower than $09 56000. So I saved the settings [CONTROL]+W then Y. It will boot just fine. UNTIL, I disconnect the power on the S-Drive, plug it back in boot up and it times out maybe 5 seconds into the load. I boot up D0, check the settings and it's still at $09 56000. I'll press the [INVERT] to boot it and it load just fine. So the question(s) is this the fault of the S-drive / spartados / or me ? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3.2d is an old version that is known for scrambling hard drives. I would not use it for anything if I were you... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said: It absolutely will not boot up at the defaultSIO at $06 69000, but will boot at anything slower than $09 56000. So I saved the settings [CONTROL]+W then Y. It will boot just fine. UNTIL, I disconnect the power on the S-Drive, plug it back in boot up and it times out maybe 5 seconds into the load. I boot up D0, check the settings and it's still at $09 56000. I'll press the [INVERT] to boot it and it load just fine. So the question(s) is this the fault of the S-drive / spartados / or me ? Thanks. Your computer most likely has the capacitors on the DATA_IN/DATA_OUT signals that cause issues with hi-speed I/O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted September 21, 2022 Author Share Posted September 21, 2022 13 hours ago, BillC said: Your computer most likely has the capacitors on the DATA_IN/DATA_OUT signals that cause issues with hi-speed I/O. No, as any other .atr / .atx / .xex / .cas etc. work perfectly fine. Even at the fastest SIO setting. So I think @bf2k+ is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I don't think that what I said necessarily had anything to do with your problem, although I guess the age thing might. I was just giving a general warning about an issue that 3.2d is well-known for. That issue bit me more than once back in the 80's with my MIOs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, bf2k+ said: I don't think that what I said necessarily had anything to do with your problem I tested other spartados as well. 1.x / 3.x / 4.x (on .atr). All replicate the above scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 hours ago, bf2k+ said: I don't think that what I said necessarily had anything to do with your problem, although I guess the age thing might. I was just giving a general warning about an issue that 3.2d is well-known for. That issue bit me more than once back in the 80's with my MIOs. I guess I was lucky that I switched to SpartaDOS X soon after it was released, I never had my HDD(Seagate ST251 MFM/Adaptec 4000 or 4000A) corrupted. SpartaDOS 3.2x was also released for compatibility with BASIC XE, when not using BASIC XE SpartaDOS 2.3x leaves more RAM available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Does the machine have any capability of using lower SIO divisors? SpartaDOS X has a high-speed SIO driver built in, and since SDX boots from ROM and not disk, it's able to install said driver before attempting any communication with a SIO-attached peripheral. A DOS which boots from disk, however, relies on the OS SIO routines, which are not compatible with the highest transfer speeds. There are several options: high-speed patched operating system and the PBI-based HSIO driver in Ultimate 1MB being but two of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, flashjazzcat said: Does the machine have any capability of using lower SIO divisor Yes, all the way down to 36000. Even there it still does the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) On 9/20/2022 at 3:59 PM, Ricky Spanish said: UNTIL, I disconnect the power on the S-Drive, plug it back in boot up and it times out maybe 5 seconds into the load. Still having this problem. Pity, cause I really want to use spartados w/ Badic XE + extensions Edited May 10, 2023 by Ricky Spanish added info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) BASE SIO at 19200 once it loads high speed drivers then it can switch to 38400 or 57600. BASIC XE and it's Disk might need the slower speed at load in or how the SDRIVE handles it, if it still fails, I'd try a different drive or storage device. Also consider BasicXE was made with OSS DOS XL/XE in mind and AtariDos... If you still have SPARTADOS issues... try BASIC XE 7.2 Edited May 10, 2023 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Basic XE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, _The Doctor__ said: BASE SIO at 19200 once it loads high speed drivers then it can switch to 38400 or 57600. BASIC XE and it's Disk might need the slower speed at load in or how the SDRIVE handles it, if it still fails, I'd try a different drive or storage device. Also consider BasicXE was made with OSS DOS XL/XE in mind and AtariDos... If you still have SPARTADOS issues... try BASIC XE 7.2 Loading basic Xe extensions disk isn't a problem with spartados 3.2. I copied the extension & math file and it loads just fine. Even just loading SD 3.2 by itself, once I power off the SDdrive max, then power it up again, I have to go through D0 first then hit the [INVERSE] to load it. It won't load from D1. And BXE 7.2 is a ROM. The Sdrive doesn't support ROM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 BASIC XE is a cartridge, it is a ROM... How about we take a shot at things another way, the problem is booting SpartaDos off of the SDRIVE? Then what SDRIVE? there are a few, what revsision firmware, what revision Loader menu? What density and size of disk? 90k 127k 180k 360k? etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, _The Doctor__ said: BASIC XE is a cartridge, it is a ROM... How about we take a shot at things another way, the problem is booting SpartaDos off of the SDRIVE? Then what SDRIVE? there are a few, what revsision firmware, what revision Loader menu? What density and size of disk? 90k 127k 180k 360k? etc. I have a 4-in-1 cart. OSS Basic XE, OSS Basic XL, Action!, Mac/65 I have a Sdrive Max, bought last year from the brewing company. I'm assuming the latest. Disk density is 180KB, which the Sdrive Max can read no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) https://github.com/kbr-net/sdrive-max/releases/tag/V1.3 about 5 months ago double density and other issues were addressed, you may need to reprogram the sdrive max. It is the 1.3Freedom release. Not just v1.3bwhatever I hope the SDRIVE max is externally powered as well Edited May 11, 2023 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 29 minutes ago, _The Doctor__ said: I hope the SDRIVE max is externally powered as well yes it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, _The Doctor__ said: about 5 months ago double density and other issues were addressed, you may need to reprogram the sdrive max. It is the 1.3Freedom release. Not just v1.3bwhatever Found the Xloader on github, but when I hook up my MAX to the PC via usb the Xloader doesn't ave the 'UNO' option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) the on Atari screen menu control + w to save settings. and you turned off all the bells and whistles and clicked saveim etc. on the sdrive max itself. https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=SDrive-MAX Edited May 11, 2023 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, _The Doctor__ said: and you turned off all the bells and whistles and clicked saveim etc. what bells & whistles ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) screen blanker saver etc etc. also you pick the chip that is on your uno usually atmega blah blah You can use your own flasher, avrdude etc. Edited May 11, 2023 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 minute ago, _The Doctor__ said: also you pick the chip that is on your uno I'll post a few pics in a few... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 No uno What's in the screen This is so the ultimate goal w/o having to go through DO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 There seems to be a serious memory leak. I'll try with different languages to narrow down the responsible culprit. In the meantime, is there a memory leak testing program out in the wild ? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Why 3.2d? It has a bad habit of messing up drives. I'd never use it for anything... Why not 3.2g for real hardware; 3.3a for emulator use. I use one of these two depending on what I am doing. There is also 3.3b for real hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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