Ricky Spanish Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, bf2k+ said: Why 3.2d? wasn't that the last disk version by ICD? Thought everything after that was cart by FTe was worse to use ? With 3.2G extension hangs & you need to do a warm reset. <- scratch that. Got 3.2G working. Spartados 1.1 there's no way of successfully using Basic XE extensions. Edited May 11, 2023 by Ricky Spanish added info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 12, 2023 Author Share Posted May 12, 2023 Ok, so tried the same program. No more mem leak. Discovered a bug in the SD 3.2x versions. It shows the correct 11-May-23.. but for the day of the weak it's Saturday instead of Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 there are corrected td lines etc. around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 12, 2023 Author Share Posted May 12, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said: there are corrected td lines etc. around... Round and round.. What goes around comes around.. I'll tell you why.. Fixed. Thanks @_The Doctor__ I must say, I now almost have my 1200XL configured almost the way I want. Edited May 12, 2023 by Ricky Spanish clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 22 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said: wasn't that the last disk version by ICD? Thought everything after that was cart by FTe was worse to use ? With 3.2G extension hangs & you need to do a warm reset. <- scratch that. Got 3.2G working. Spartados 1.1 there's no way of successfully using Basic XE extensions. Yes it was the last version released by ICD. All subsequent 3.x versions were also disk based. In fact I know of no cart version before SDX (v4), but I could be wrong... maybe a third party made one. After having a couple of HDs scrambled by 3.2d, I did away with it and moved to FTe versions (or the 3.3a & b versions.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 12, 2023 Author Share Posted May 12, 2023 Is this the correct use of RD.COM w/ 256k RAMBO XL ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 That's the way most people do it so they can run some 130XE stuff etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 13, 2023 Author Share Posted May 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, _The Doctor__ said: That's the way most people do it so they can run some 130XE stuff etc How does one get spartados 3.2g to run/load with TBXL ? <- next on the list to my journey to the dark side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 13, 2023 Author Share Posted May 13, 2023 K tried sparta w/ TBLX that's a no go. sparta w/ BASIC XE locks the computer when the reset key is used after the prog ended with many programs that are memory intensive. Back to DOS 2.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 Sparta 3.X uses RAM under the OS ROM; so does TBXL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 Seems to me there was a special version of TB for Sparta 3.x... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 14, 2023 Author Share Posted May 14, 2023 1 minute ago, bf2k+ said: Seems to me there was a special version of TB for Sparta 3.x... And where would that gem be hiding ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said: And where would that gem be hiding ? No idea... I've never used TB myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 14, 2023 Author Share Posted May 14, 2023 30 minutes ago, bf2k+ said: No idea... I've never used TB myself. Found one on the serious computerist website but it's a .XEX and when you type DOS it goes straight to the 1200XL logo screen. So I assume you have to add it to spartados 3.2q which really I have zero clue on how to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said: Found one on the serious computerist website but it's a .XEX and when you type DOS it goes straight to the 1200XL logo screen. Did you boot a DOS before typing DOS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 14, 2023 Author Share Posted May 14, 2023 2 hours ago, bf2k+ said: Did you boot a DOS before typing DOS? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsc Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 On 5/13/2023 at 6:08 PM, Ricky Spanish said: K tried sparta w/ TBLX that's a no go. sparta w/ BASIC XE locks the computer when the reset key is used after the prog ended with many programs that are memory intensive. Back to DOS 2.5 Hi! My recommendation, just use disk based BW-DOS, or the cart based SDX. BW-DOS is smaller than Sparta 3.* and does not use the RAM under ROM, so it is compatible with TBXL and BASIC XE. Download an ATR with BW-DOS and TBXL here: https://github.com/dmsc/turbo-dis/releases/tag/v2021.11.06 Have fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 15, 2023 Author Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, dmsc said: and does not use the RAM under ROM, so it is compatible with TBXL and BASIC XE. This might be a stupid question, but isn't the 1200XL 'Ram under Rom' very small ? Around 200-400 bytes ? Also with BW-DOS, how do you access it ? I type DOS & when D1: whatever I type shows error 170. Edited May 15, 2023 by Ricky Spanish added info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) since this has been taking making strange twists, are you making disks in the traditional way where each DOS is being booted from it's natively formatted disk and then that disk is being used to create format, initialize, and write it's own files? I have seen folks try to copy different DOS files to disks formatted and initialized by other DOS disks with differing file systems and layouts, this almost always led to issues and failure. Each DOS links things together slightly differently. With SPARTA simply copying a DOS file over doesn't get the job done as you must issue the BOOT command to take the version you want and set the bootstrap to grab it. Some have it worded as 'write' DOS files in their menu... which takes the version running and it's current set up/config and lays that down on the disk. Edited May 15, 2023 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 15, 2023 Author Share Posted May 15, 2023 7 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said: since this has been taking making strange twists, are you making disks in the traditional way where each DOS is being booted from it's natively formatted disk and then that disk is being used to create format, initialize, and write it's own files? I have seen folks try to copy different DOS files to disks formatted and initialized by other DOS disks with differing file systems and layouts, this almost always led to issues and failure. Each DOS links things together slightly differently. With SPARTA simply copying a DOS file over doesn't get the job done as you must issue the BOOT command to take the version you want and set the bootstrap to grab it. Some have it worded as 'write' DOS files in their menu... which takes the version running and it's current set up/config and lays that down on the disk. Can't to anything with Bw-DOS as per the link above. That said, back to ATARI DOS 2.5. I give it 4.75 outta 5 stars. Spartados I give it 4.5 outta 5, cause it doesn't play nice w/ TBXL or BASIC XE. My Dos 2 outta 5. Maybe a 1.5... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsc Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Hi! On 5/14/2023 at 11:43 PM, Ricky Spanish said: This might be a stupid question, but isn't the 1200XL 'Ram under Rom' very small ? Around 200-400 bytes ? The RAM under ROM is from $C000 to $CFFF and $D800 to $FFFF, 14KByte in total. On 5/14/2023 at 11:43 PM, Ricky Spanish said: Also with BW-DOS, how do you access it ? I type DOS & when D1: whatever I type shows error 170. You need to read the manual: https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=BEWE DOS 1.30 Manual The disk that I attached does not have the external commands, only COPY is included. You need the master disk to access all commands, download also from atariwiki.org. Have Fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Spanish Posted May 18, 2023 Author Share Posted May 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, dmsc said: The RAM under ROM is from $C000 to $CFFF and $D800 to $FFFF, 14KByte in total. Isn't that from the 800XL? 18 minutes ago, dmsc said: The disk that I attached does not have the external commands, only COPY is included. You need the master disk to access all commands, download also from atariwiki.org. I moved on to RealDos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsc Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Hi! 2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said: Isn't that from the 800XL? No, the 1200XL was the first 8-bit Atari to have 64K available, instead of the 48K max of the 400/800. 2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said: I moved on to RealDos. Your loss - IMHO, BW-DOS is much better and smaller - and have the advantages of being legally available and running TBXL, as it does not use the RAM under the OS ROM. Have Fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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