dodge ramman Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 I have the Pac-Man Collection but since the sale is going on I want to get the Pac-Man Collection 40th Anniversary Edition! Is there any Difference in these two games? Thanks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Yes. Pac-man is younger in Pac-Man Collection. Seriously though, they are different and while you may think that Pac-Man collection is perfection - The 40th Anniversary Edition is unbelievable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkarner Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 40th Anniversary has vertically scrolling mazes, right? While the original collection has single screen mazes. Personally I prefer the single screen mazes. More arcade-like. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juansolo Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, tkarner said: 40th Anniversary has vertically scrolling mazes, right? While the original collection has single screen mazes. Personally I prefer the single screen mazes. More arcade-like. There is a version of 40th Anniversary like that (the short mazes one), but it's only available as a download not as a physical cart as far as I'm aware. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Defender_2600 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, juansolo said: There is a version of 40th Anniversary like that (the short mazes one), but it's only available as a download not as a physical cart as far as I'm aware. Just to avoid confusion, the original 7800 collection without scrolling has the vertical resolution reduced so you get the same arcade mazes, however the anniversary version without scrolling has the same vertical resolution as arcade (same tiles) and therefore has short mazes. This is because with a vertical resolution of 240p it is not possible to use the same vertical resolution as the arcade version (288p) without using scrolling, so it is not only a limitation of the 7800 but also of 16 bit systems and CRT TVs. In fact, the SNES and Genesis versions have scrolling, while PS1 and N64 do not have scrolling but have reduced resolution. We had to wait for the official version of Pac-Man on XBOX 360 to get the same arcade resolution and no scrolling...but this version doesn't have all the mazes and all the options of both 7800 versions. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 A couple of videos can be viewed as well to see and hear the differences in action: Pac-Man Collection: Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition: Clarifying details: -Any frame skipping or seemingly missed frames is a result of the video upload (conversions) to YouTube. -Both titles run very smoothly. -Original Pac-Man Collection video features POKEY/HOKEY sound edition; however, there is a TIA version available too, in which the audio is taken from the retail Ms. Pac-Man for the 'Ms. Pac' portions, and an equivalent quality was created for the plain 'Pac' games. -Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition video showcases TIA sound only. As good as it sounds, it is all just TIA. There is a vast difference in the TIA sound from the original Pac-Man Collection and the 40th Anniversary Edition, as the latter was developed nearly 15 years later, and more was learned and applied in leveraging the chip. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Defender_2600 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Defender_2600 said: Just to avoid confusion, the original 7800 collection without scrolling has the vertical resolution reduced so you get the same arcade mazes, however the anniversary version without scrolling has the same vertical resolution as arcade (same tiles) and therefore has short mazes. This is because with a vertical resolution of 240p it is not possible to use the same vertical resolution as the arcade version (288p) without using scrolling, so it is not only a limitation of the 7800 but also of 16 bit systems and CRT TVs. In fact, the SNES and Genesis versions have scrolling, while PS1 and N64 do not have scrolling but have reduced resolution. We had to wait for the official version of Pac-Man on XBOX 360 to get the same arcade resolution and no scrolling...but this version doesn't have all the mazes and all the options of both 7800 versions. For further clarity about the recent "Short Maze version", here is a comparison of the three versions with the same maze. Pac-Man Collection (original) - small ghosts version : Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition : Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition - Short Maze version : 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge ramman Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 5 hours ago, SIO2 said: Yes. Pac-man is younger in Pac-Man Collection. Seriously though, they are different and while you may think that Pac-Man collection is perfection - The 40th Anniversary Edition is unbelievable. But how can one improve on perfection? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge ramman Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 4 hours ago, tkarner said: 40th Anniversary has vertically scrolling mazes, right? While the original collection has single screen mazes. Personally I prefer the single screen mazes. More arcade-like. Yes, Didnt the sega verson have the scrolling mazes? or im I thinking of another system? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge ramman Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Trebor said: A couple of videos can be viewed as well to see and hear the differences in action: Pac-Man Collection: Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition: Clarifying details: -Any frame skipping or seemingly missed frames is a result of the video upload (conversions) to YouTube. -Both titles run very smoothly. -Original Pac-Man Collection video features POKEY/HOKEY sound edition; however, there is a TIA version available too, in which the audio is taken from the retail Ms. Pac-Man for the 'Ms. Pac' portions, and an equivalent quality was created for the plain 'Pac' games. -Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition video showcases TIA sound only. As good as it sounds, it is all just TIA. There is a vast difference in the TIA sound from the original Pac-Man Collection and the 40th Anniversary Edition, as the latter was developed nearly 15 years later, and more was learned and applied in leveraging the chip. Well looks like im spending more money! LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkarner Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, dodge ramman said: Yes, Didnt the sega verson have the scrolling mazes? or im I thinking of another system? I believe Sega Genesis Ms Pac-Man has vertical scrolling mazes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBreakout Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, tkarner said: I believe Sega Genesis Ms Pac-Man has vertical scrolling mazes. It also had the only simultaneous 2-player Pac-Man that I am aware of, on a classic system anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Defender_2600 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 6 hours ago, CaptainBreakout said: It also had the only simultaneous 2-player Pac-Man that I am aware of, on a classic system anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 From Retail... -NES Tengen version -SMS Tengen version -Genesis Tengen -SNES Williams version ...have 2 player cooperative and competitive modes. Atari 7800, post retail, denoted above by Defender_2600, has Ms. Pac-Man Twin (Thanks @PacManPlus), which is the only simultaneous 2 player version to feature a separate set of dots for each player. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) Thanks guys... Also, a 'two player simultaneous' feature that was added to the late run Pac-Man Collection! games, and all of the Pac Man Collection 40th Anniversary Edition games, was the option for the opposite player to control 'Blinky' in 'Chase' mode (i.e. not 'scared' or 'scatter' modes). This depends on the right difficulty switch (I forget which way off-hand) Edited July 7, 2023 by PacManPlus 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge ramman Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Trebor said: From Retail... -NES Tengen version -SMS Tengen version -Genesis Tengen -SNES Williams version ...have 2 player cooperative and competitive modes. Atari 7800, post retail, denoted above by Defender_2600, has Ms. Pac-Man Twin (Thanks @PacManPlus), which is the only simultaneous 2 player version to feature a separate set of dots for each player. Tengen was a subsidiary of Atari Games! Edited July 7, 2023 by dodge ramman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianC Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 On 7/6/2023 at 7:44 PM, Defender_2600 said: Just to avoid confusion, the original 7800 collection without scrolling has the vertical resolution reduced so you get the same arcade mazes, however the anniversary version without scrolling has the same vertical resolution as arcade (same tiles) and therefore has short mazes. This is because with a vertical resolution of 240p it is not possible to use the same vertical resolution as the arcade version (288p) without using scrolling, so it is not only a limitation of the 7800 but also of 16 bit systems and CRT TVs. In fact, the SNES and Genesis versions have scrolling, while PS1 and N64 do not have scrolling but have reduced resolution. We had to wait for the official version of Pac-Man on XBOX 360 to get the same arcade resolution and no scrolling...but this version doesn't have all the mazes and all the options of both 7800 versions. SNES also has an earlier port of Ms. Pac-Man that was inside Pac-Man 2 The New Adventures (which was hidden but could be accessed via in game password). This version has reduced resolution without scrolling. The Genesis version of Pac-Man 2 has a game named Pac Jr. (not to be confused with Jr. Pac-Man) instead, which is pretty much a modified Ms. Pac-Man with altered mazes and cutscenes. It also has reduced resolution without scrolling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keitaro Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) I ordered "Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition" among other "last chance" games. I prefer a pac-man game without scroll, buts the game looks fantastic and I'm a fan of Pacmanplus games so I ordered it anyway. I discovered "Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition - Short Maze version" and I want it too :). There is no physical release for it? @PacManPlus @Albert could I order a custom cart for this game? No need to have a nice label etc, but I also would like to get an ok from you before order it. I also tried the rom released by pacmanplus in mateos cart, but I didn't get to work. I tried .bin without header, any help is also welcome. Thanks! Edit. Nevermind, I just checked custom 7800 cart in AA store page and this option is currently unavailable. Sorry for don't notice before asking. Regards. Edited July 23, 2023 by keitaro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Curious why it doesn't work in the Mateos cart... Has anyone been able to get it to work there? It's a regular 128K bin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keitaro Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Sorry, I haven't used it for a long time and I'm not sure now. File should be renamed from .BIN to .SG to use in mateos, is correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pac-Lander Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 If the choice is between the two, and I can only purchase one - which one would you all recommend that I buy? Thanks in advance! 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 9 hours ago, keitaro said: Sorry, I haven't used it for a long time and I'm not sure now. File should be renamed from .BIN to .SG to use in mateos, is correct? According to the chart for supported hardware and bankswitching... ...that appears correct. Including the extension must be in uppercase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygrailvideogames.com Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Pac-Lander said: If the choice is between the two, and I can only purchase one - which one would you all recommend that I buy? Thanks in advance! 🙏 I had to make the same choice today. I went with the original because I am not a fan of the scrolling mazes. Bob DeCrescenzo is an absolute Atari 7800 genius. I am sure both games are excellent and you won't go wrong choosing either or both. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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