phoney Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 So my project is coming along NICELY. I got my Fujinet. I got my 1056K board. (https://www.tindie.com/products/5cfab/1056k-memory-upgrade-board-for-the-atari-800/) I have hooked up my monitor. I have set up and am running a TNFS server which is gorgeous. However I have noted some of the Fujinet software out there in TNFS world does not seem to be running. I wonder if that's because I'm on an 800 (and if this is a RAM issue, can all of my Axlon banked RAM help in any way?) News - The main menu loads. I can't enter any section. The SELECT and ESCAPE buttons work. www.bas - Loads, runs Mastodon.bas - Just created graphical chaos on my screen Fuji-AI - more graphical chaos. ISS - loads, runs Weather - UI loads, no weather displayed Warships - gets to the opening screen and then doesn't respond to keystrokes Hmm ... any guide to what I should expect to be able to run, and what I shouldn't? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) My 800 does every thing I do, but I have the Incognito board, got it 2012 and there still made today. Lothar builds and sells. to bad you bought that memory card, not much to do with it. I bought one Back around 1990 . Anyway alot of stuff requires the XL/XE , Edited September 17, 2023 by bandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoney Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 I can't solder. The unit I got came with 32kb so I needed to go to 48 anyway ... decided to get the banked ram card just to see what I could do with it! So is it not worth trying network stuff more? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
votraxman Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Get Incognito. Not much soldering required. https://lotharek.pl/productdetail.php?id=276 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoney Posted September 22, 2023 Author Share Posted September 22, 2023 "not much" != "none" 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, votraxman said: Get Incognito. Not much soldering required. https://lotharek.pl/productdetail.php?id=276 24 minutes ago, phoney said: "not much" != "none" Come on fellas. We're talking about upgrading 1970's era machines to 1MB. If you can't manage 4 wires to solder, you won't be using a 1970s machine at all, let alone one with 1MB of RAM! We've gotta stop this bullshit of "everyone needs a participation trophy". Sometimes, there is a minimum barrier for entry. (But I'll be called any numbers of boomer, get off my lawn, exclusionist, etc.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 There's a 4Mb solder free upgrade for the 800... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoney Posted September 22, 2023 Author Share Posted September 22, 2023 43 minutes ago, Stephen said: Come on fellas. We're talking about upgrading 1970's era machines to 1MB. If you can't manage 4 wires to solder, you won't be using a 1970s machine at all, let alone one with 1MB of RAM! We've gotta stop this bullshit of "everyone needs a participation trophy". Sometimes, there is a minimum barrier for entry. (But I'll be called any numbers of boomer, get off my lawn, exclusionist, etc.) I used it for many years without soldering. But the real question which everyone seems to be avoiding is, is there a way to know what Fujinet software is compatible with the 800 OS and which requires the XL/XE RAM or OS? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) I wouldn't do any upgrades just to use fujinet. If it's doesn't work well with a 48k 800, I'd just give up on it. As far as Atari 800 OS B versions of software. People have modified those files and others in similar ways. Sometimes they update the filename, sometimes they don't. It's a bit of a mess. You could end up with a file that was originally intended for 48k 800, but will only work in XL/XE. Edited September 22, 2023 by invisible kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) To clarify, if I had a fujinet, I would just use with my xl/xe, but it sounds like you just have the 800. Can always expand your collection :D Edited September 22, 2023 by invisible kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoney Posted September 22, 2023 Author Share Posted September 22, 2023 Well, its an exciting adventure. The tactile object is very important to me. I was an 800 user, and seeing that unit and touching the keyboard just makes me smile and feel joy. The XE feels ... flimsy? I have no emotional connection to those units. So I will nurture my 800 for now and pursue it! I've already been learning so much about Axlon ramdisks ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoney Posted September 22, 2023 Author Share Posted September 22, 2023 EVENTUALLY I'm going to buckle and buy a multicart and use SDX. But for now I'm trying to pace myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 I hear you! I like my 800 the best, but my xegs is in second place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 18 hours ago, phoney said: But the real question which everyone seems to be avoiding is, is there a way to know what Fujinet software is compatible with the 800 OS and which requires the XL/XE RAM or OS? It's up to each app developer to determine which system they support and how much RAM is needed. A handful of apps are made by the FujiNet team itself and all of us pretty much have XL and up systems, some with RAM upgrades and most apps probably not tested on older machines. I do have a 48k 400 that I could confirm some apps if needed. There is no definitive list of Fujinet apps and their requirements that I'm aware of. Perhaps you could make a list of what does/doesn't work for you and it could be added to the wiki so others know. I have heard that weather needs XL/XE OS, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoney Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 2 hours ago, mozzwald said: It's up to each app developer to determine which system they support and how much RAM is needed. A handful of apps are made by the FujiNet team itself and all of us pretty much have XL and up systems, some with RAM upgrades and most apps probably not tested on older machines. I do have a 48k 400 that I could confirm some apps if needed. There is no definitive list of Fujinet apps and their requirements that I'm aware of. Perhaps you could make a list of what does/doesn't work for you and it could be added to the wiki so others know. I have heard that weather needs XL/XE OS, but I'm not 100% sure on that. OK. I'll step through all the apps I can find and post the results here so they could be added to the wiki. I'm happy to help with knowledge. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoney Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 OK. I deliver. Tell me if there are any other apps you want me to test. Test system: 48K 800 w/AXLON, MyDOS 4.53 chatari - runs, but buggy COVID - main screen loads but unresponsive (aka MLU) fujinews - MLU fujitalk - screen is just random chaos (aka SRC) lingua-XE - MLU neon-ndevice - frame around screen flashes weather - MLU wikipedia - WORKS!!! www - WORKS!!! apod - WORKS!!! chessnet - MLU cavemush - timeout on server fuji-ai - SRC iss - WORKS!!! netcat - WORKS!!! ra8key - WORKS!!! uptodate - WORKS!!! shoutbox - loads but then everything I type is in ATASCII graphics?! mastodon - SRC warships - MLU 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 On 9/17/2023 at 12:57 PM, phoney said: You may want to reconsider placing the monitor on top of the 800. The more room that the machine has to vent its heat, the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorclu Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I've been enjoying using an Atari 800 with FujiNet here recently. Mostly use it for getting on BBSs to write other users on those systems. I use mainly Bobterm for ATASCII and Flickerterm for ANSI. I've gotten on some of the games that are FujiNet modified and played them through that. And of course while there is much that I have not tried, the lists of what you've tried also help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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