+Living Room Arcade Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) Got tired of waiting for Atari to un-bundle their paddles so I ordered the Hyperkin Ranger. https://hyperkinstore.com/ranger-premium-wired-gamepad-for-atari-2600-retron-77-hyperkin/ Edited January 14 by Living Room Arcade 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircusBreakoutKaboom Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Hi, new here. Just wanted to see if I summed this up correctly. I got a 2600+ with paddles, and tried to play several games on the new 2600+ with the new paddles (Breakout, Circus Atari, Kaboom) and all of the experiences I had were not great. The paddle is jittery and jumpy. Summary, it seems like a lot of people are having the same experience, but not much we can do about it? Looking like people are hoping for some sort of software update in the future? If there is anything I can do now to make this experience better, can someone let me know? (Trying game mode, but I dont think its latency, more just something with the paddle itself?) Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorxs Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Has anyone else noticed jitter in Kaboom? I have the new CX30+ paddles and even when not touching them in Kaboom the bucket jumps back & forth. I watched the comparision video posted in this thread and I didn't see any jitter in the video. Is it just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Well simply holding the controller could add jitter, as flexible machines, humans constantly move, and readjust to hold (what we precieve as) steady. Get close enough to trip between paddle movements and potentially the controller could register slight movements you do, like your pulse. Let us know how you like that controller living room arcade. I've thought about it and just never bought one. I may be buying their range (or whatever the stick is called) as Atari can't seem to get them in stock, and s bulk of Atari games prefer two players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajule Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/4/2024 at 8:24 AM, Ben from Plaion said: I dont think so as Breakout moves much smoother then the video above showing Super Breakout. I don't have a video to show but my own experience playing breakout on the 2600+ looks exactly the same as the video above of super breakout. Ie. not smoother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/14/2024 at 3:47 PM, Living Room Arcade said: Got tired of waiting for Atari to un-bundle their paddles so I ordered the Hyperkin Ranger. https://hyperkinstore.com/ranger-premium-wired-gamepad-for-atari-2600-retron-77-hyperkin/ The original Atari paddles were two to a plug. With these hyperkins, say you wanted to play warlords, would you need to buy four? And are there two into one adaptors? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxit Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 hours ago, danny_galaga said: The original Atari paddles were two to a plug. With these hyperkins, say you wanted to play warlords, would you need to buy four? And are there two into one adaptors? Yes, and yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Living Room Arcade Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 7 hours ago, danny_galaga said: The original Atari paddles were two to a plug. With these hyperkins, say you wanted to play warlords, would you need to buy four? And are there two into one adaptors? @danny_galaga You're right. Yes, you would need to buy four. Let me take you to the Retron 77 product page at Hyperkin here. You'll see the Trooper joystick, the Ranger gamepad and a multi-paddle Ranger adapter. That's the two-into-one adapter you're looking for so you can plug two Rangers into one controller port just like OEM Atari CX-30 paddles. Edited January 17 by Living Room Arcade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-F-L Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Hi everyone / First time posting / Longtime reader though I have dusted out my retro consoles recently (Coleco/NES/SNES). I am about to finish the process with my favorite console, the 2600. I have many units / paddles / joysticks & cartridges. For all consoles, I have hundreds of cartridges and Harmony / Powerpack ones for ease of use and transportation. I was tempted by the HDMI 2600+ until I read the downsides to it, and for me, there are too many. Sooo, I will stick with my original ones. MY QUESTION: Since my paddles & joysticks (many) all have little issues (including my driving controllers), I would like to consider buying the new CX 30+ paddles to use on my original systems. Reading the thread, I couldn't find a definitive answer on INDY 500's compatibility with these paddles on old systems. Anyone has a complete answer on this matter ? Thank you in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjames_s_2000 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 INDY 500 comes with special driving controllers which are dramatically different than paddle controllers (though they look similar). The paddles have two controllers per cord and a potentiometer inside with a hard left and right stop. The driving controllers are dedicated spinning knobs without stops and have a single controller per cord. Their signals are closer to the joystick than the paddle. Unfortunately driving controllers aren't supported on the 2600+, but it's still a great platform for the vast majority of carts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akator Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, kjames_s_2000 said: INDY 500 comes with special driving controllers which are dramatically different than paddle controllers (though they look similar). The paddles have two controllers per cord and a potentiometer inside with a hard left and right stop. The driving controllers are dedicated spinning knobs without stops and have a single controller per cord. Their signals are closer to the joystick than the paddle. Unfortunately driving controllers aren't supported on the 2600+, but it's still a great platform for the vast majority of carts. Indy 500 uses the driving controller, not the paddles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, akator said: Indy 500 uses the driving controller, not the paddles. The original Indy 500 NTSC works on the 2600+, as Stella supports Joystick controls but would play much better with driving controller support. Indy 500 XE from AA does not work, as it needs a driving controller (no fallback to joystick by Stella). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 8 hours ago, DEANJIMMY said: The original Indy 500 NTSC works on the 2600+, as Stella supports Joystick controls but would play much better with driving controller support. Indy 500 XE from AA does not work, as it needs a driving controller (no fallback to joystick by Stella). The driving controller has no auto detection. For the original game, Stella has built-in properties (which seem to be used). But there are no properties for most hacks. There are just too many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorkbot Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 On 1/16/2024 at 4:44 PM, yorxs said: Has anyone else noticed jitter in Kaboom? I have the new CX30+ paddles and even when not touching them in Kaboom the bucket jumps back & forth. I watched the comparision video posted in this thread and I didn't see any jitter in the video. Is it just me? KaBoom has more jitter no matter what system you play it on. I tested it on Atari 2600+, an original Atari, and on the Stella emulator on my computer... Kaboom has more jitter than other paddle games. Although on Stella on the computer you can turn down the paddle sensitivity and the jitter then mostly goes away. (However, I would say that I don't get the jitter if I'm not touching the paddles at all. Only if I do touch them.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorkbot Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/14/2024 at 12:47 AM, Living Room Arcade said: so I ordered the Hyperkin Ranger. https://hyperkinstore.com/ranger-premium-wired-gamepad-for-atari-2600-retron-77-hyperkin/ Does the Hyperkin Ranger work as a 2-button controller for Atari 7800 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 28 minutes ago, Glorkbot said: Does the Hyperkin Ranger work as a 2-button controller for Atari 7800 games? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorkbot Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Bill Loguidice said: No. Damn. What's the 2nd button even for then? Oops, I see now that what I thought was a second button is just a logo. Edited January 22 by Glorkbot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Living Room Arcade Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Glorkbot said: Does the Hyperkin Ranger work as a 2-button controller for Atari 7800 games? @Glorkbot Okay, you know now. So, for anyone else who might have the same question, FYI 1 is the paddle knob, 2 is a thumbstick, 4 is the "fire" button. And 3 might look like a button in the photo, but it is not a button, just a Hyperkin logo. So only 1 button. Edited January 22 by Living Room Arcade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchooch Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/16/2024 at 4:44 PM, yorxs said: Has anyone else noticed jitter in Kaboom? I have the new CX30+ paddles and even when not touching them in Kaboom the bucket jumps back & forth. I watched the comparision video posted in this thread and I didn't see any jitter in the video. Is it just me? On 1/21/2024 at 9:18 AM, Glorkbot said: KaBoom has more jitter no matter what system you play it on. I tested it on Atari 2600+, an original Atari, and on the Stella emulator on my computer... Kaboom has more jitter than other paddle games. Although on Stella on the computer you can turn down the paddle sensitivity and the jitter then mostly goes away. (However, I would say that I don't get the jitter if I'm not touching the paddles at all. Only if I do touch them.) I came here specifically to find out if I was alone on this. I find Kaboom to be very jittery. Especially when holding the controllers, but they also “twitch” if the controllers are sitting on the floor. I have both the 2600+ paddles and I also have a refurbished BEST Electronics controller and both exhibit the same exact problems. I don’t recall it being this way on my original hardware, but of course I could be misremembering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MysticSword Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I just got the new Atari Paddle Pack with 4-in-1 games cartridge. Yay! I had a good session on my 2600+ with a few of the paddle games I have. Now that I found what, for me, I think is a comfortable way to hold (in my left hand) and then where to position and what grip-style (I go with a grip of two-fingers, index and middle, and thumb) with my right-hand on the paddle-part of the controller, I think the new paddle-controller feels great, is smooth and responds well. I haven't really noticed much (if any) 'jitter' with the games I've played with it so far. So far my favorite game to play with it is Super Breakout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smog-097 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/16/2024 at 1:12 PM, CircusBreakoutKaboom said: Hi, new here. Just wanted to see if I summed this up correctly. I got a 2600+ with paddles, and tried to play several games on the new 2600+ with the new paddles (Breakout, Circus Atari, Kaboom) and all of the experiences I had were not great. The paddle is jittery and jumpy. Summary, it seems like a lot of people are having the same experience, but not much we can do about it? Looking like people are hoping for some sort of software update in the future? If there is anything I can do now to make this experience better, can someone let me know? (Trying game mode, but I dont think its latency, more just something with the paddle itself?) Thanks in advance! We're getting quite a bit of jitter in some of the modes in Video Olympics. Kind of ruins the enjoyment. They seem to work better on some of the slower or multi-bumper games like table soccer. But straight up pong or hockey they jitter quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiohead Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) On 11/23/2023 at 3:22 PM, MittyOz said: Wondering what everyone thinks of the Paddles. I'm pretty happy with them. They're a bit stiff, but hopefully this will improve over time. The build quality is amazing, they seem exactly the same physically as my original paddles (though they work much better, my old ones have a bit of jiggle/drift). They're also the item that appears to just have sold out online, you can't get them anywhere. Very glad I pre-ordered just for those. Which games are you playing with your paddles, how are you finding them? I just got the new CX30+ Paddles from Amazon today to play on my Raspberry Pi 3B running Stella 6.7 (not lr-stella) and using the 2600-daptor and the Hyperkin Trooper 2 6-button USB joystick. These paddles are rock solid with virtually no jitter on my roms of Breakout, Super Breakout, Warlords, Street Racer or Video Olympics. I only see the tiniest jitter in Kaboom, but only when the bombs drop - the buckets are stationary between rounds, so maybe the complains about Kaboom's jitter is from the original coding. (I have my Stella emulator settings to 51% paddle sensitivity and Dejitter to 5). I'm amazed the potentiometer is so small. Hopefully, it won't be susceptible to grime and constant cleaning like the old style. Also, these are far and away better than the paddles that came with my AtGames Flashback 4, which I have been using for my Raspberry Pi setup. I haven't bought the Atari 2600+ because (1) based on the comments on Atariage, it doesn't seem like it's fully baked yet and (2) I don't have any carts - beside the 4 in 1 that came with the paddles. But I'm encouraged to pick up the new CX-40+ joystick to run with the 2600-datop for second player because the build of these paddles feel great. I may eventually get the Atari 2600+ if enough new selections of multi-carts become available, or if someone hacks it to play roms. Edited January 27 by radiohead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorkbot Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 5 hours ago, radiohead said: But I'm encouraged to pick up the new CX-40+ joystick to run with the 2600-datop for second player because the build of these paddles feel great. I agree with you on the new paddles. They work amazing and feel great on Stella. The new joysticks are just as great. I’m waiting for them not to be backordered so I can get another one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Living Room Arcade Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) Hey everybody! The day has finally come! Unbundled paddles are in the Atari online store! Link Well, pre-order, anyway. Edited January 29 by Living Room Arcade 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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