Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 55 minutes ago, mastic_man said: Try stella 2014 core, this has paddle support for the 2600 daptor And an ancient Stella core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, MrChickenz said: Thats why it amazes me that you are able to use paddles directly with the Atari 2600+. And they work great! The paddles indeed work on the 2600+, but I wouldn't say they work great. When playing PAL Kaboom, the paddles feel jittery and not very responsive, when compared to a real 2600. In Breakout, the paddles work much better, so maybe this is game specific. But anyway, joystick games are my favorite, so I don't mind it too much. Edited May 27 by Dionoid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 On 5/25/2024 at 11:24 PM, JetmanUK said: OK, no worries. Well, my super rare cart is still for sale, it now has a cool custom hole in the label too, even more unique! Update on this: My game is now even more valuable, as not only is it rare, it is now proven to work on the 2600 Plus, it will be included in the next firmware. Bids starting at $100 please. 😜🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Dionoid said: The paddles indeed work on the 2600+, but I wouldn't say they work great. When playing PAL Kaboom, the paddles feel jittery and not very responsive, when compared to a real 2600. In Breakout, the paddles work much better, so maybe this is game specific. But anyway, joystick games are my favorite, so I don't mind it too much. I have NTSC paddle games. I’m not sure if that makes a difference or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastic_man Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: And an ancient Stella core. Yep, its older than the Ark but it says to use the Stella 2014 core for paddle support on the 2600 daptor website or just use the latest stand alone Stella. Edited May 27 by mastic_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 20 minutes ago, mastic_man said: Yep, its older than the Ark but it says to use the Stella 2014 core for paddle support on the 2600 daptor website or just use the latest stand alone Stella. So the original developers of the Atari 2600+ must have added some custom paddle-support code to get it working in Stella 6.7. Shouldn't that be shared back to the Stella github repository, according to GPL license terms? Edited May 27 by Dionoid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 6 minutes ago, Dionoid said: So the original developers of the Atari 2600+ must have added some custom paddle-support code to get Stella 6.7 working. Shouldn't that be shared back to the Stella github repository, according to GPL license terms? Definitely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamazaki Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 4 hours ago, Dionoid said: The paddles indeed work on the 2600+, but I wouldn't say they work great. When playing PAL Kaboom, the paddles feel jittery and not very responsive, when compared to a real 2600. In Breakout, the paddles work much better, so maybe this is game specific. But anyway, joystick games are my favorite, so I don't mind it too much. I have an NTSC Kaboom and have exactly the same issue - Breakout is perfect, Kaboom is practically unplayable. This has been the case on all firmware revisions so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 50 minutes ago, Dionoid said: So the original developers of the Atari 2600+ must have added some custom paddle-support code to get it working in Stella 6.7. Shouldn't that be shared back to the Stella github repository, according to GPL license terms? That may be possible, but this isn’t the thread to bring it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 40 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: That may be possible, but this isn’t the thread to bring it up. I'll bring up whatever I want. Don't act like you're the guard of this thread, please. Edited May 27 by Dionoid 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 21 minutes ago, Dionoid said: I'll bring up whatever I want. Don't act like you're the guard of this thread, please. And I’ll tell you it’s unnecessary in this thread. Start another thread if you want to make idle accusations of GPL violations. This thread is for discussion of the performance of this experimental firmware. By the same token, dont act like you’re a lawyer hired by the Stella dev team to protect against abuses of its GPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: And I’ll tell you it’s unnecessary in this thread. Start another thread if you want to make idle accusations of GPL violations. This thread is for discussion of the performance of this experimental firmware. By the same token, dont act like you’re a lawyer hired by the Stella dev team to protect against abuses of its GPL. Are these unjustified, snipe answers really necessary? Or are you just up for trouble? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Thomas Jentzsch said: Are these unjustified, snipe answers really necessary? Or are you just up for trouble? That’s exactly what I read when I saw an accusation of potential GPL violations without any actual evidence. This thread should be supportive and collaborative, not accusatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 32 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: This thread is for discussion of the performance of this experimental firmware. 27 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: This thread should be supportive and collaborative, not accusatory. You just continue to act like you’re the guard of this thread, don’t you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 15 minutes ago, Dionoid said: You just continue to act like you’re the guard of this thread, don’t you? Am I wrong though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 37 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: Am I wrong though? Yes, you are wrong in thinking that you’re entitled to guard this thread. We are obviously speaking on different levels: I am talking about the form, and you are talking about the content. Let’s leave it at that. Edited May 27 by Dionoid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Dionoid said: Yes, you are wrong in thinking that you’re entitled to guard this thread. We are obviously speaking on different levels: I am talking about the form, and you are talking about the content. Let’s leave it at that. My only point here is, I love this particular product. I want to see it succeed. So when I come into the de facto “bug testing” thread and see people complaining about GPL licenses, or shipment delays on pre-orders, or other general complaints that are completely unrelated to this particular topic, I think somebody should call that out. I don’t want to see further development of this product get hampered or delayed over squabbling about GPL licenses and unnecessary threats of litigation. time and place. This thread is neither the time nor the place. also - these are not officially published updates fully supported by Atari. It is an experimental build that the devs shared for testing purposes and at the risk of potential failure or regressions. Likely very little of this would be relevant to updating the git for GPL purposes. Edited May 27 by John Stamos Mullet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite.pies Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 50 minutes ago, Dionoid said: You just continue to act like you’re the guard of this thread, don’t you? In case you don't already know, a good option is to use the "ignored users" list in your account profile. Unfortunately, you do still see ignored content when someone else quotes it, but it can still help to remove a lot of these unpleasant, overbearing and attack-driven posts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 28 minutes ago, infinite.pies said: In case you don't already know, a good option is to use the "ignored users" list in your account profile. Unfortunately, you do still see ignored content when someone else quotes it, but it can still help to remove a lot of these unpleasant, overbearing and attack-driven posts. Another good option is to just stay on topic. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumbob Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I thoroughly tested and played all of my games this past weekend just to make sure there were no regressions using the new update (update-052024-1.1x-r3-debug, dumper-052024-x.01), all games are NTSC. Thank you to all who contributed to this firmware update. I think it is getting really close to perfect! I just want to try to be helpful by reporting what worked and what didn’t for me. Here is the list of games that I didn’t notice any issues with: 2600: 10 Games in 1 Cartridge 4 Games in 1 Cartridge Adventure Air Sea Battle Armor Ambush Asteroids Astroblast (paddle only) Barnstorming Berzerk Berzerk Enhanced Boxing Combat Crackpots Demon Attack Donkey Kong Enduro ET Freeway Frogger Frogger II Threedeep! Grand Prix Hangman HERO HERO2 (green PCB) Jr. Pac Man Jungle Hunt Maze Craze Missile command Mr. Run And Jump Ms. Pac Man Pac Man Pelé’s Soccer Pitfall Q*Bert River Raid Space Invaders Space War Spider Fighter Stampede Starmaster Stella’s Stocking Super Breakout Super Cobra Tennis Video Checkers Warlords Yars’ Revenge 7800: Centipede Dig Dug Dragon’s Havoc Galaga Joust Ms. Pac Man Pole Position II Tower Toppler Xevious In summary, I found no regressions with this update, and Stella’s Stocking is now working! However, Astroblast works great with the paddle but is not yet working with a joystick. Also, I have two copies of HERO2. The newer copy (with the green PCB) works on my 2600+. The older one with a purple PCB and a serial number below 200 doesn’t work in my 2600+, but does work on my 7800. I read somewhere that any HERO2 cart with serial number above 200 will work on the 2600+. Here is a screenshot of the debug info for HERO2, green PCB: And here is purple PCB, serial number under 200: Hopefully this info might be helpful. Cheers 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 5 hours ago, John Stamos Mullet said: Another good option is to just stay on topic. ...or stop policing other people. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 15 hours ago, Plumbob said: In summary, I found no regressions with this update, and Stella’s Stocking is now working! Not for me it's not. *edit*. Okay I tried inserting it 8 times, on the eighth time it actually loaded and booted up. I swear, there's something about the pins, that's a pristine and brand new cart. Or maybe very new carts have to be inserted a few times to work ? It's gonna cause so many "I can't boot this game" experiences Edited May 28 by tradyblix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 16 hours ago, Plumbob said: I thoroughly tested and played all of my games this past weekend I was wondering where you were! lol! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I have the latest official update installed, but want to check out this update now that Pitfall II works. I did not see instructions on how to install this update. Is it an easy process and do people here recommend it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, swlovinist said: I have the latest official update installed, but want to check out this update now that Pitfall II works. I did not see instructions on how to install this update. Is it an easy process and do people here recommend it? Yes, this update is highly recommended. The update process is the same as for the official update (although that wasn't a final update). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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