Mr.FoodMonster Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Im looking to play some good PC games of yesteryear, and am well aware that I need to have a SB16 emulator, where can i get one at that will work woth XP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Most soundcard drivers support SB16 emulation out of the box, you should check that first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Most soundcard drivers support SB16 emulation out of the box, you should check that first. But it's not really all that useful if you're trying to run MS-DOS games in Windows XP. Personally, I say screw emulation. Find some nice outdated hardware(a P90 should do nicely) with a nice ISA SoundBlaster, stuff it in a box, and build a REAL MS-DOS machine. It's what I did. Mine was free, too, because I had leftover parts from past upgrades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindfield Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Alternatively, DOSbox is coming along nicely, and though it hasn't yet progressed to the ability to run DPMI (protected mode) games, it runs quite a good deal of oldies. I'm just waiting for it to kick some Duke Nukem 3D and Redneck Rampage. :-) And it's a current project, so these things will get supported in time. Also, XP will run quite a few games out of the box as well, even on modern hardware. You just have to right-click on the EXE, go to Properties, click the Compatibility tab, and set the compatibility options. A lot of games work that way. A lot don't, too, particularily games that use VESA localbus video -- there just ain't no modern cards that still support VLB, and DisplayDoctor was only designed to give VLB compatibility to cards that predate it. Me, I DO have a P233 as a second system for auxiliary surfing, but it's got really crappy on-board video (won't even do 1024x768 in anything higher than 256 colours), and I don't have a halfway decent VLB-supporting video card to plug in, so it's a bit of a writeoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Me, I DO have a P233 as a second system for auxiliary surfing, but it's got really crappy on-board video (won't even do 1024x768 in anything higher than 256 colours), and I don't have a halfway decent VLB-supporting video card to plug in, so it's a bit of a writeoff.Mine used to have a crpapy 2meg Virge(which was actually fine for most purposes on that machine). It went out and I replaced it with a 16meg TNT. PCI video cards work just fine. You don't need to use the VESA bus, just support the VESA instructions(which are completely diffrent than the VESA Local Bus). Which everything does, as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Yes, I have an old AMD k6-200 that I stuffed into the first Ivory Tower full tower case I have. It has 64 megs or ram a basic 24x CD-Rom drive, an STB Velocity 4400 PCI (TNT 1 board), and then finally for the music and sound I have an actual ISA 16-bit SB16 (First release model) complete with the ASP chip upgrade, and for the music side, I have a lovely Roland LAPC-1 board installed. Wing Commander never sounded better!!! Oh...forgot to mention the latest and only OS installed on it is none other than the late, great, and still the best... MSDOS 6.22. However, there is still another solutioin for you. I came across a program once not all that long ago. This program basically adds virtual SB16 emulation to any applet you open in the command emulator "DOS box". You just have to right click on the program and select to open it with this emulated SB16 program active. It works really really well. Many games still can see right through it, but some others have no clue. That program I believe is called VDMS. Google for it and you should find what you seek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze_ro Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Man, do I feel old... I'm still using an SB16 as my sound card. I've had this card since 386's were state of the art, and it's always worked wonderfully. New cards are cheap like borscht these days, but this thing has done absolutely everything I've ever wanted it to, and is probably the most compatible sound card in history. I don't play PC games, and I'm only using cheap speakers, so I'm not likely to gain anything from 3D sound or anything like that. It's hard to justify spending $30 when a new card really won't do much for me. Of course, if I ever upgrade my computer, I'll probably have to give up this whole ISA thing --Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avid Fan Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 I've been using VDMsound and I've gotten every single on of my old CD-Rom games working except for Rebel Assault. The 7th Guest and the 11th hour, which need VESA wont ever work. But I can play Rebel Assault 2 in a decresed resolution The Lawnmower Man booted up, but died. But thats more than I've been able to get the game to do since I had a 486 with DOS, and Windows 3.1 VSCUMM is also great I really wish they'd release The 7th Guest and The 11th Hour on a modern system so that I may one day play them again, without buying an ancient computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze_ro Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 I really wish they'd release The 7th Guest and The 11th Hour on a modern system so that I may one day play them again, without buying an ancient computer Yeah, but if they re-release them, they'll probably want you to pay $40 for them again. You can get an old 486 at the thrift stores around here for about $5. --Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.FoodMonster Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 First thing i did was right click and do the combatibilty thing. That got the old MIDI's running nice and smooth. Then I downloaded VDMSound and the sounds work, until gameplay actually comes up, then the game crashes. The game I'm talking about it Tyrian2000 so if anyone wants to try it out themselves. Anyone got an idea?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 First thing i did was right click and do the combatibilty thing. That got the old MIDI's running nice and smooth. Then I downloaded VDMSound and the sounds work, until gameplay actually comes up, then the game crashes. The game I'm talking about it Tyrian2000 so if anyone wants to try it out themselves. Anyone got an idea??Tyrian's a real bitch about sound. I have problems with it on my MS-DOS machine, and always have because I've never had a perfectly SoundBlaster-compatible audio card. It was originally a clone that wasn't QUITE up to snuff, and it's currently a SoundBlaster PCI128, because it's what I could find and it has decent SB16 emulation drivers. I really need to change it out for an ISA card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijin Z Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 ARGH! I have one installed on my system, but I forget the name. It just pops a little icon into your control panel, and spits out log files every time you run a dos prog... It works GREAT, too! I'll try to remember to write down all the info I have on it... I MIGHT even have an install package on a dying hard drive.... I could probably pop that drive into one of my many pentiums, and nab the file before I get a DISK I/O ERROR lockup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijin Z Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Got it... Explanation in the readme file. http://jigoku.studio-zoe.com/temp/soundfx.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avid Fan Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 But I would honestly shell out 40 bucks each for them. I just wish I could get Tie Fighter working. I know about cheap 486s, but I dont have room for another computer. We already have 2 attached to our monitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijin Z Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Umm? So I wasted a fucking weekend rousing a dead PC from its well-deserved eternal sleep, just to loot the files of this SB16 emulator, for nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.FoodMonster Posted October 28, 2003 Author Share Posted October 28, 2003 I did what the read-me asked, tryed it multiple ways and the game still crashes right as gameplay begins. I guess its just Tyrian, like someone said, it IS a bitch Thanks anyways, maybe I can finally play Full Throttle again with it =D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijin Z Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Well, I must assume your lack of success comes from you having a more fucked up comp than me, if that's possible. Of course, having bootlegged Windows XP, I kept a close eye on what I allowed to be "updated", so the emulator works perfectly for... Wolfenstein, and a couple other games that aren't DOOM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.FoodMonster Posted October 30, 2003 Author Share Posted October 30, 2003 Well, Like someone said before, Tyrian is a bitch. I have Wolf3d Doom ect. playing fine WITHOUT all that crap I installed to get Tryian's 1/2 sound. Ah well, I really appreciate your help =D Oh, and I have a fully licsenced W XP, and im currently getting my older comp set up with Linux! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raindog Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Alternatively, DOSbox is coming along nicely, and though it hasn't yet progressed to the ability to run DPMI (protected mode) games, it runs quite a good deal of oldies. I'm just waiting for it to kick some Duke Nukem 3D and Redneck Rampage. :-) And it's a current project, so these things will get supported in time. It's closer than you think, the latest version supports protected mode (poorly...) http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/comp_list.ph...D=1365&letter=D and more interestingly to me, http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/comp_list.ph...D=1413&letter=T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze_ro Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 I'm actually really impressed with Dosbox. It's played a bunch of old games perfectly without any weird configuration changes or anything. My only complaint is that it's still pretty slow. According to them, a 1.7 GHz processor will emulate a 25 MHz 386... but I think that's a bit a pessimistic approximation. Whatever the case may be, my 400 MHz system has played everything fairly slow. Considering how young the project is though, and the fact that they haven't really done any optimization, I'm quite impressed. --Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 I found this great site that helps you get Blood, Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior up and running on XP and Win2000(using VDMSound). I am sure someone here will find it usefull, so here's the link. http://www.deathmask.net/buildxp/ Unfortunately I couldn’t get the sound to work in Blood on my system. Since my Win2000 insists on putting all my PCI devices on IRQ 9. And it can't be used by DOS games for some unknown reason ... I also discovered that "Home of the underdogs" has got a working version of Blood available for download. So now I can finally enjoy a bug free (more or less anyway) version of Blood. This games is really great... http://www.the-underdogs.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijin Z Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Incidentally, zDoom runs flawlessly in XP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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