jagpaul Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 is it worth buying ? As good as battlesphere gold or are they hard to compare each other ? Fun facter so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 I think that a comparison between "D2K" and "Protector / SE" is perhaps more fair, given their more obvious similarities. "D2K" is not a bad game, and has many fans on this site. It's composed of three games -- "Classic Defender", "Defender Plus", and "Defender 2000", and of those "Defender Plus" is perhaps the best of the bunch. It plays an OK game of "Defender", but I'd just as soon play "Defender" on my 800 to get that "classic" feel. "Protector: SE" seems to be a much larger game, and it has many cool effects and amusing visual touches. It is, both in "feel" and "spirit", much like a '50s sci-fi movie. "P:SE" also contains the "JagFree" CD bypass, so it is, when all things are considered, a better buy (even though it is more expensive when bought new). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 This seems to be one of those games that some love and some think sucks for various reason, the most common being that it's too difficult. There seem to be few who think it's just merely decent. I love it, love everything about it and don't find it difficult in the least. When I first got it I died a lot, but once I got used to it and figured out how to get shields and increase weapons and whatnot, I became very good at it and regularly score in the millions. I like it far better than it's "competition" Protector, but I like Protector too. It's got the classic, plus and 2000 modes, which is a distinct advantage; everyone like classic Defender and Plus is much closer to the original except for updated graphics and bosses added in, etc. 2000 sticks to the basic premise of the original, but adds in a lot of ideas like power-ups and such that have come along in shooters since the original. If you like fantastic graphics, a great sound track and don't mind or love a good challenge without being impossible, get it. Good, good stuff. To compare it to Battlesphere is pointless, they are completely different genres of games as far as I'm concerned. You might as well compare Super Mario Bros. to Pac-man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 No way is protector a larger game than Defender 2000, you obviously have never gotten very far in D2K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 No way is protector a larger game than Defender 2000, you obviously have never gotten very far in D2K. No, I've never got very far in D2K. I fall into the "it's too hard for me!" camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 D2K was a huge let down for me - I loved T2K but D2K falls into the 'excessive' category in every shape and form. Too fast, Too large, Too Ridiculous. To 'play' the game at the higher levels relies on flying at the top of the screen (usually watching the radar vs the screen) and hoping to get the autoshoot powerup to finish the level - Very little skill is required. Ive gotten pretty far into the game and there is no skill involved as it gets harder. D2K Plus mode however is an excellent game - I enjoyed this mode alot. Classic is ok but def looks and feels old compared to the others. The Jag controller doesnt do very well in the classic mode IMHO. Just my $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grokk Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 In 1998 my house was robbed, and among other things my jag, lynx and all my software for them went with the bad dude with an obvious gaming addiction. At that time, I had every jag game released to date except for four I think and about 2/3's of the lynx's library. It really sucked, all with original boxes and manuels, even the survey cards. All in perfect condition. Any way on to my point. For the last few years I have been slowly re-acquiring the games (and systems of course).My priority has been the games that weren't around back then and of course my favs. Although Defender ins't my absolute favorite game, it does stack up well. So I consider it a must have, after all I did buy it twice. I got protector se at cge in august but I haven't had time to play it much so I won't compare the two. But in defenders defense I must say that the music is equal that of T2K, the bonus round although similar to the second bonus round in T2K is far better in my book. One gripe I here is that people have to rely soley on the radar to play the game. I must disagree, although it is crucial in the game, especially in the later levels. I have found that a combination of 50/50 radar/playfield is in order otherwise you'll surely miss power-ups and falling humans. I have found it a very intense and satisfying game. Is it as good as T2K you ask? Well thats like comparing protector to battlesphere. Apples and Oranges. Wow, this is a really long post just to say I like D2K. I must be bored. Later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendon Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 For myself, D2K falls into that "hard" category and is a game I haven't played that much at all. Question: do any of the 3 games on the cart have that "option" where if you are carrying a human that no other humans can be captured? Been so long since I played it, I've forgotten. Mendon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 For myself, D2K falls into that "hard" category and is a game I haven't played that much at all. Question: do any of the 3 games on the cart have that "option" where if you are carrying a human that no other humans can be captured? Been so long since I played it, I've forgotten. Mendon Id almost put D2K into the 'Hard' and 'Stupid' category - I found it really lame how no skill is involved in the ahrder levels IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grokk Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 For myself, D2K falls into that "hard" category and is a game I haven't played that much at all. Question: do any of the 3 games on the cart have that "option" where if you are carrying a human that no other humans can be captured? Been so long since I played it, I've forgotten. Mendon Id almost put D2K into the 'Hard' and 'Stupid' category - I found it really lame how no skill is involved in the ahrder levels IMHO You could almost say the same thing about T2K,in the upper levels its hold down the fire button and hope your timing goin back and forth is right. Not much skill really. You can definitely say that about T3K on nuon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 For myself, D2K falls into that "hard" category and is a game I haven't played that much at all. Question: do any of the 3 games on the cart have that "option" where if you are carrying a human that no other humans can be captured? Been so long since I played it, I've forgotten. Mendon Id almost put D2K into the 'Hard' and 'Stupid' category - I found it really lame how no skill is involved in the ahrder levels IMHO You could almost say the same thing about T2K,in the upper levels its hold down the fire button and hope your timing goin back and forth is right. Not much skill really. You can definitely say that about T3K on nuon. Though in T2K is does come down to some powerups alteast you still ahve to navigate the web and shoot enemies as best you can. D2K turns into a fly at the top of the screen holding down the fire button praying. Someone good at the joypad can master T2K - just my $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 To 'play' the game at the higher levels relies on flying at the top of the screen (usually watching the radar vs the screen) and hoping to get the autoshoot powerup to finish the level - Very little skill is required. Ive gotten pretty far into the game and there is no skill involved as it gets harder. Just my $0.02 Ok, so maybe you have found a cheap way to "cheat" by staying up high and counting on the autoshoot feature, but that's not the way I have ever played it, I'm always down deep in the action and it takes precise timing and awsome manuevering abilities in the higher levels to get through that way. I totally disagree with your assesment of the game on every level, and I agree completely with Grokk. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions and favorite games. Just my $0.02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Classic is ok but def looks and feels old compared to the others. The Jag controller doesnt do very well in the classic mode IMHO. Just my $0.02 Classic mode was specifically design to take advantage of the ORIGINAL control configuration of the ARCADE version of the game; you have to have the procontroller for this, that's why it doesn't work very well for you if you're trying to use a standard controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 To 'play' the game at the higher levels relies on flying at the top of the screen (usually watching the radar vs the screen) and hoping to get the autoshoot powerup to finish the level - Very little skill is required. Ive gotten pretty far into the game and there is no skill involved as it gets harder. Just my $0.02 Ok, so maybe you have found a cheap way to "cheat" by staying up high and counting on the autoshoot feature, but that's not the way I have ever played it, I'm always down deep in the action and it takes precise timing and awsome manuevering abilities in the higher levels to get through that way. I totally disagree with your assesment of the game on every level, and I agree completely with Grokk. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions and favorite games. Just my $0.02. Id love to see a video of you playing - I dont know of anyone who can fly at the higer levels since so many enemies come out at once that there is no way avoiding them (everything is so big). You are the first person I know that claims they can fly around in that swarm and survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grokk Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 To 'play' the game at the higher levels relies on flying at the top of the screen (usually watching the radar vs the screen) and hoping to get the autoshoot powerup to finish the level - Very little skill is required. Ive gotten pretty far into the game and there is no skill involved as it gets harder. Just my $0.02 Ok, so maybe you have found a cheap way to "cheat" by staying up high and counting on the autoshoot feature, but that's not the way I have ever played it, I'm always down deep in the action and it takes precise timing and awsome manuevering abilities in the higher levels to get through that way. I totally disagree with your assesment of the game on every level, and I agree completely with Grokk. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions and favorite games. Just my $0.02. Id love to see a video of you playing - I dont know of anyone who can fly at the higer levels since so many enemies come out at once that there is no way avoiding them (everything is so big). You are the first person I know that claims they can fly around in that swarm and survive. make that two claims. Its been awhile but its possible, being in the ZONE is a must, looking between radar and the action on screen has to be extremely fast and furious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Someone post an avi I will change my playstyle claim just a bit. I dont look at the screen I watch the radar - It is possible to manuever up and down a bit looking at radar for enemies - but when the wave first starts there is nothing you can do IMHO. The balance in this game was just way off. T2K was different for me in that I could manage to get to the 63rd level without having the 'pray' for something to save me - Even still after the 63rd level things changed back to normal a bit such that you could continue. My $0.04 now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Defender 2k is a good game, personally I love to play both classic and Plus versions. Also, Protector is great, really. (This topic reminds me... is a lot of time that I don't play with those games, need to take carts out of the boxes ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Saturn Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 ...need to take carts out of the boxes ). That sounds like a great idea. I'll have to give them a go, too. The music in D2k is reason enough to boot it up. Protector SE is a lot of fun but I never managed to get very far. (made it to level 10 I believe) I remember someone posting that they'd gotten to the end or had finished P:SE within a few days of receiving it. Supposedly there's some unlockable features/codes or something. Maybe someone can reveal these at some point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagpaul Posted October 28, 2003 Author Share Posted October 28, 2003 is it worth 19.99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 is it worth 19.99 D2K? YES! Especially if it's still boxed, you'll never find a better deal for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagpaul Posted October 28, 2003 Author Share Posted October 28, 2003 are you following me gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 is it worth 19.99 D2K? YES! Especially if it's still boxed, you'll never find a better deal for it! I agree... very good price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 are you following me gunstar I don't stalk people, I just loom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagpaul Posted October 28, 2003 Author Share Posted October 28, 2003 gunstar are you looming me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 gunstar are you looming me I believe the proper use of that word in your sentence would be "gunstar are you looming over me", yes, I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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