+thanatos Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 11 hours ago, ledzep said: From what I gather the arcade version is a tweaked/altered version of whatever home options are available that's more tailored toward being in an arcade. Even if it weren't, what you are arguing for is nobody ever buying/owning an arcade cabinet because MAME (and MESS) exists. That's a ridiculous statement, especially on a forum like this one that is geared towards collectors. Nobody "collects" Steam games. They buy them and own them and play them, yes, but nobody is displaying their vintage Steam files to anyone or getting corrupted files working again using original lines of code stripped out of other corrupted versions, or ordering blocks of new code from the manufacturers as spares. I said was it is $10 on steam. You extrapolated the rest yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerDubs Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 hours ago, thanatos said: I said was it is $10 on steam. You extrapolated the rest yourself. The game on steam is not the same as the game in this machine. That was not only said in the articles that are written about it, but also more than once in this very thread. extrapolate that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynel Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 hours ago, thanatos said: I said was it is $10 on steam. You extrapolated the rest yourself. As noted by other people above, the Steam game isn't quite the same. You'll still have to write the code to replace the missing bits, plus the code to interface with the extra cabinet features not available on a SteamDeck. Where I work, $1,750 will get you about 20 hours of developer time. You'll never be able to get someone to make the changes required in that amount of time and still have money left over for the physical cabinet construction, so I call shenanigans on your claim that you can build the equivalent item for ¼ the price. It's OK to admit you were wrong, or boasting, or drunk, or lying. It's just part of being an adult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thanatos Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 9 minutes ago, waynel said: As noted by other people above, the Steam game isn't quite the same. You'll still have to write the code to replace the missing bits, plus the code to interface with the extra cabinet features not available on a SteamDeck. Where I work, $1,750 will get you about 20 hours of developer time. You'll never be able to get someone to make the changes required in that amount of time and still have money left over for the physical cabinet construction, so I call shenanigans on your claim that you can build the equivalent item for ¼ the price. It's OK to admit you were wrong, or boasting, or drunk, or lying. It's just part of being an adult. I didn't say anything about the cabinet construction price or dev work. You're arguing with the wrong person. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzie.P Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 18 minutes ago, waynel said: so I call shenanigans on your claim that you can build the equivalent item for ¼ the price. Where did they make that claim? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynel Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 @Razzie.P and @thanatos, you are correct. I thought I was replying to @zonie. Apologies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bill Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 (edited) 51 minutes ago, waynel said: As noted by other people above, the Steam game isn't quite the same. You'll still have to write the code to replace the missing bits, plus the code to interface with the extra cabinet features not available on a SteamDeck. Where I work, $1,750 will get you about 20 hours of developer time. You'll never be able to get someone to make the changes required in that amount of time and still have money left over for the physical cabinet construction, so I call shenanigans on your claim that you can build the equivalent item for ¼ the price. It's OK to admit you were wrong, or boasting, or drunk, or lying. It's just part of being an adult. the original OP, was talking about stealing the cracked code... He factors that in as part of his low cost approach.. I know How to make it cheaper. go to a location that has the game, and steal it. then its a free game.. Edited August 11 by mr.bill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerDubs Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 It was Zonie.... first he said about 25% you can build a BETTER machine... then he said "not dumb at all- just crack / hack the code.... then online connectivity is nothing new, don't care about graphics, copy the side art, knockers not rocket science, he is an engineer...this is child's play... ok, mabey 1/3 to 1/32 cost... sure a software dev would be more... but people who love this as a hobby for it for the love of it... he is sorry he has to take up rental space in your brain- this is a stupid argument..... then gets into talk of outside labor- printing services, then back to doing this for fun...because just buying expensive stuff instead of CREATING...is not his idea of a fun hobby." In other words- just like every other engineer I've ever met- clueless jackass with their head up their ass and wrong beyond comprehension. Do you know how you know someone is an engineer? Their wife will tell you. That's how self important they think they are- they marry someone so clueless and vapid that they can be brainwashed into mentioning to everyone as soon as they meet them- that their husband is an engineer. As if anyone would even care... As if it would mean anything to anyone if it was actually something to be proud of... instead you might as well say your husband is a politician or a priest. Which is really funny to me- as I meet all the wife's because their useless husbands (who the wife always says "my husband is an engineer and he knows the problem is X"....and then I respond- well, no- the problem is E, the solution is J and I hope your husband is good at fixing a sandwich because he is wrong with this" Zonie is a dillweed- and I don't even need to give a reason why- his own words prove it so.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, PowerDubs said: It was Zonie.... first he said about 25% you can build a BETTER machine... then he said "not dumb at all- just crack / hack the code.... then online connectivity is nothing new, don't care about graphics, copy the side art, knockers not rocket science, he is an engineer...this is child's play... ok, mabey 1/3 to 1/32 cost... sure a software dev would be more... but people who love this as a hobby for it for the love of it... he is sorry he has to take up rental space in your brain- this is a stupid argument..... then gets into talk of outside labor- printing services, then back to doing this for fun...because just buying expensive stuff instead of CREATING...is not his idea of a fun hobby." In other words- just like every other engineer I've ever met- clueless jackass with their head up their ass and wrong beyond comprehension. Do you know how you know someone is an engineer? Their wife will tell you. That's how self important they think they are- they marry someone so clueless and vapid that they can be brainwashed into mentioning to everyone as soon as they meet them- that their husband is an engineer. As if anyone would even care... As if it would mean anything to anyone if it was actually something to be proud of... instead you might as well say your husband is a politician or a priest. Which is really funny to me- as I meet all the wife's because their useless husbands (who the wife always says "my husband is an engineer and he knows the problem is X"....and then I respond- well, no- the problem is E, the solution is J and I hope your husband is good at fixing a sandwich because he is wrong with this" Zonie is a dillweed- and I don't even need to give a reason why- his own words prove it so.... You have me all wrong, and you totally missed pretty much all of my points. I also never advocated cracking the code (your words) and I even stated that. You have a comprehension problem. Without engineers, you would be living in a cave and shitting in a field. If you are going to resort to name calling, well, you showed your age. Edited August 12 by Zonie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynel Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 (edited) 6 hours ago, Zonie said: If you are going to resort to name calling, well, you showed your age. Your original version was at least an honest expression. The replacement you chose is ageist, and actually more offensive than the vulgarity. Edited August 12 by waynel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerDubs Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 9 hours ago, Zonie said: You have me all wrong, you have a comprehension problem. Without engineers, you would be living in a cave and shitting in a field. If you are going to resort to name calling, well, you showed your age. My age is fine- my comprehension is fantastic- and all those words were you own. The fact that you doubled down on the engineer part just proves my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Several of you are having a problem making an argument without attacking the person you disagree with. Disagreements are fine. Personal attacks and name calling are against the rules. I'll start booting people from this thread if it continues. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 9 hours ago, PowerDubs said: My age is fine- my comprehension is fantastic- and all those words were you own. The fact that you doubled down on the engineer part just proves my point. You actually paraphrased a lot of it. Incorrectly. You must be an electrician. Only Electricians call engineers idiots or stupid, or whatever. I was an electrician before I decided to become an engineer and actually make real money. 6 hours ago, tep392 said: Several of you are having a problem making an argument without attacking the person you disagree with. Disagreements are fine. Personal attacks and name calling are against the rules. I'll start booting people from this thread if it continues. Thanks. This whole conversation is just a stupid mess with people calling names and arguing with the wrong person over misunderstood comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thanatos Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Just walked past this in Vegas. Seemed appropriate. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Well, there you go. That's a slot I'd probably play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy the Atarian Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 On 8/8/2024 at 11:21 AM, Skydog said: 5 hours ago, jhd said: Rent a storage unit and have everything delivered there. Build you own, offsite, "man cave" in complete secrecy. I used to rent a storage unit (albeit not for this reason) and there were several small businesses at the facility that used their units as offices/warehouses/etc. Seems more intense which is a nice differentiator for the arcade version vs. standard Asteroids Recharged. Looks like someone at Alan-1 is channeling Eugene Jarvis. Question: what the hell is that beeping at 0:58? I suppose I'll have to come up with a spreadsheet that shows the differences at some point. UFO behaviors are one, voice overs and sound effects are another. I'm pushing for secrets to be added into the game, but not sure if that will make it or not. Either way, I've seen with my own eyes how much extra work has been put into this game and can say without a doubt that it's a better game than what you get on consoles. In re: to Eugene Jarvis, he stopped by the Alan-1 booth and enjoyed it, although that was on a super early version. The game has progressed a lot since then - and yes, capturing that kind of intense gameplay is crucial. 0:58 is reusing the original game's beep that plays when you get a bonus life In regards to the cabinet and the discussion after your comment (so this isn't directed at you Skydog) - sure could you build one for less if you know what you're doing. You can do the same with any game really. That segment of the market is super small though, and there's zero collector value for a homebrew garage machine. Would you really want to shell out some cash for a bootleg of Asteroids or do you want the original? The vinyl on the cabinet is very high quality and has texture on the control panel. So even if someone somehow manages to scan in the art, it'll probably look like crap until you have access to a super high quality commercial grade printer. Which you might, but again, that's going to be 10s of people, if not less, who would want to bother to go to all the trouble. Re: graphics, I have pushed for the rocks to be replaced with flat shaded 3D polys that use a neon edge shader effect, but it's looking like it will stay the same as it is now. Lots of people at CAX loved the look, as the upgrade to 4K really helps it look more like a vector game than 1080p does. I think that graphics help grab attention in a modern arcade, but in a home environment, is it really that big a deal? Would having raytraced rocks really make that much of a difference for your mancave (which would also increase the cost of the game with the added dev requirements and appropriate hardware)? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 16 hours ago, Zonie said: You actually paraphrased a lot of it. Incorrectly. You must be an electrician. Only Electricians call engineers idiots or stupid, or whatever. I was an electrician before I decided to become an engineer and actually make real money. Thanks. This whole conversation is just a stupid mess with people calling names and arguing with the wrong person over misunderstood comments. Seriously, why would you troll when I just warned people to keep it civil? Goodbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 (edited) 18 hours ago, thanatos said: Just walked past this in Vegas. Seemed appropriate. Hahaha! I've never seen it so blatantly say... "INSERT MONEY!!!" hahaha... usually it says "Deposit Coin" or insert credit or something... GIVE ME MONEY!!! (EDIT: my post should not be taken as a knock on the new Asteroids Recharged, I was merely poking fun at the language in the slots ... I'm still debating buying one of these arcade machines because the quality looks fantastic) Edited August 13 by 82-T/A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bent_pin Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 On 8/12/2024 at 7:36 PM, thanatos said: Just walked past this in Vegas. Seemed appropriate. When did we switch from insert coin to insert coins to insert money? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynel Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 4 hours ago, bent_pin said: When did we switch from insert coin to insert coins to insert money? The last time I was in Vegas, there was only one casino that still took coins (Slots a Fun). It's all ticket-in-ticket-out (TITO) now. The casinos are in the process of getting the laws changed to go entirely cashless. The gambling regulators prefer there to be some friction so people with poor impulse control (90% of people in casinos) don't get in trouble, and make the industry look bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+jeremiahjt Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, waynel said: The last time I was in Vegas, there was only one casino that still took coins (Slots a Fun). It's all ticket-in-ticket-out (TITO) now. The casinos are in the process of getting the laws changed to go entirely cashless. The gambling regulators prefer there to be some friction so people with poor impulse control (90% of people in casinos) don't get in trouble, and make the industry look bad. I find slot machines fairly boring, but part of the charm is putting the coins in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 On 8/11/2024 at 9:08 PM, PowerDubs said: Do you know how you know someone is an engineer? Their wife will tell you. Zonie is a dillweed- and I don't even need to give a reason why- his own words prove it so.... Just to be clear, I'm not sure this is really a thing anymore. Only once have I heard someone say in a group that they were an engineer. I was actually sitting with my boss at a table, talking to an astronaut at a banquet, and he (my boss) pipped up and said... "We're engineers over at this table, and..." then proceeded to ask a question. It was embarrassing because we're sitting here talking to an astronaut who's been in space twice, himself is an engineer, and was a COL in the Navy or Air Force (can't remember), and also a medical doctor at one point. And I'm thinking to myself... dude, this astronaut doesn't care that we're engineers... you could just ask the question without having to try to one-up. But this guy has a lot of issues (not the astronaut). He's mostly a nice guy, but absolutely I think suffers from NPD... and I'm not talking about National Parts Depot. To that point though, that's the only time I've ever heard anyone really try to emphasize that they're an engineer... as if it mattered. Don't misunderstand what I'm about to say, but I have two degrees that have the term engineering in them, and I'll say that I think the term "engineering" gets thrown around a lot. Look, I'll put it this way. If a migrant from a dirt-ass poor country can come across the border and lay tile, sweat pipes, install electrical to NERC standards, hang a door, hang drywall, frame in a wall, etc., etc... but YOU can't do that? Then you're not an engineer. (you as in a metaphorical you, not attacking you). I just get annoyed with labels. Half the people on my team have PhDs., and I wouldn't have even known until the company sent out a letter asking everyone to put PhD and Dr. in their email signature if they are (which most people balked at). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseystyle Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 On 8/11/2024 at 6:08 PM, PowerDubs said: It was Zonie.... first he said about 25% you can build a BETTER machine... then he said "not dumb at all- just crack / hack the code.... then online connectivity is nothing new, don't care about graphics, copy the side art, knockers not rocket science, he is an engineer...this is child's play... ok, mabey 1/3 to 1/32 cost... sure a software dev would be more... but people who love this as a hobby for it for the love of it... he is sorry he has to take up rental space in your brain- this is a stupid argument..... then gets into talk of outside labor- printing services, then back to doing this for fun...because just buying expensive stuff instead of CREATING...is not his idea of a fun hobby." In other words- just like every other engineer I've ever met- clueless jackass with their head up their ass and wrong beyond comprehension. Do you know how you know someone is an engineer? Their wife will tell you. That's how self important they think they are- they marry someone so clueless and vapid that they can be brainwashed into mentioning to everyone as soon as they meet them- that their husband is an engineer. As if anyone would even care... As if it would mean anything to anyone if it was actually something to be proud of... instead you might as well say your husband is a politician or a priest. Which is really funny to me- as I meet all the wife's because their useless husbands (who the wife always says "my husband is an engineer and he knows the problem is X"....and then I respond- well, no- the problem is E, the solution is J and I hope your husband is good at fixing a sandwich because he is wrong with this" Zonie is a dillweed- and I don't even need to give a reason why- his own words prove it so.... Jesus. This is descending into “my dad can beat up your dad” territory. Show us on the doll where the engineer built an absurdly complicated machine to hurt you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerDubs Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 How about the engineer show us where he can build the machine better, for 25% cost- without piracy and free labor. If anything he is the one playing the 'better dad' card...not me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 55 minutes ago, jerseystyle said: Jesus. This is descending into “my dad can beat up your dad” territory. Show us on the doll where the engineer built an absurdly complicated machine to hurt you. This is going to be SUPER nerdy... but I started re-reading all my childhood AD&D novels (just got through the Pools of Radiance / Darkness / Twilight books), and I'm now reading the DragonLance / Krynn series. I'm starting with Preludes before I read the Chronicles, and I'm right now reading "Darkness and Light" which introduces a bunch of characters, focused primarily on Sturm and Kitiara right now. They just took off on some little ship that gnomes built, and they're always overengineering stuff, half of the time it breaks, but they're still geniuses. I never recalled this in Dungeons & Dragons, but apparently Gnomes are all engineers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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