Shawn Jefferson Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 They will most certainly be asked to take those down. But what if they only offer the usual service for making an individual cart? The binary is send to AA by the customer, and all they are doing is to put it on a cart. Instead of offering Boulder Dash in the store, they offer a service to burn a copy of any ROM you send them onto a cartridge? I don't know, my gut says that still is illegal. After all, if photocopy a book for you, that you bring in to my shop, that is still illegal. In this case, though, I don't know where the legal responsibility would lay. I have a feeling that any legal team would probably just sue everybody involved, if their cease and desist letters didn't have any effect. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-716255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Ok, then the last step should be (officially) avoided. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-716301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 ok, fine, so suppose AA sells you this nifty paper clip, and with it you get a free BD cart. No payment whatsoever for the BD cart, its TOTALLY free. The paper clip will run you $25, but the BD cart is free, just for purchasing this fine paper clip..... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-716651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Maybe First Star (or who owns the rights) would let through a "man digs tunnels, avoids stones, picks up gems" game if it is not a big Xbox title or something alike. But if you make a "man digs tunnels, avoids stones, picks up gems, avoids butterflies, takes advantage of magic walls, grows amoeba and slime and blinks his eyes twice every second" game, it is much more obvious a 1:1 Boulder Dash copy, even with different graphics and name. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-716987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 So no blinking eyes then! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-717047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cootster Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 I guess the easier question would be "What companies don't bother to harass people programming for old systems?" Taito and Namco are apparently cool w/ Eduardo making Space Invaders Collection and Pac-Man Collection for the CV . . . What about Exidy and Star Fire/ Death Derby? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-729349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Chaos Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 I think it's ridiculous to sue hobby programmers who write games for 20+ year old systems.There is no money for those programmers to make. But for the companies, if they create stuff like the Flashback or something similar as they can include homebrews, too and earn a few extra bucks, because curious buyers buy them because of unreleased or new games. AFAIK Infogrames has some financial trouble right now, maybe that's the reason they behave like they do.Maybe a bigger company will buy them soon and everything will change. Apropos clones : In the 80s, the magazines were full of type-in listings with Pacman, Breakout etc. clones and nobody ever sued them. And First Star never sued any of the companies that made Boulder Dash clones, I think because games like "Emerald Mine" were NOT 1:1 clones, but had additional features like 2-player mode, keys and doors etc. They don't have a copyright to all dig- and collect games, because THAT was done before (Mr.Do). Thimo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-738444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 You can pretty much consider all these off limits: Big Five Software EA 20th Century Fox Nintendo Coleco Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-793461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari-Jess Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 ok, fine, so suppose AA sells you this nifty paper clip, and with it you get a free BD cart. No payment whatsoever for the BD cart, its TOTALLY free. The paper clip will run you $25, but the BD cart is free, just for purchasing this fine paper clip..... I don't think I could legitimize buying a 25 dollar paper clip there Stanno. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-793707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlh2600 Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 WOW. THey have put lawyers on you, cease and desist style? So because of this no version of breakout exists where you have some degree of control? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-861413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Jaguar Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Hm... Edtris was sold for years without any problems I think. A while back I read that the Tetris Company were going after all Tetris clones, claiming to have a copyright on "the look and feel" of Tetris. I just looked it up, and several articles turned up in the search. I nabbed up the link for the first name I recognized - <a href="http://slashdot.org/articles/99/02/19/0827245.shtml">Slashdot</a> It's back from 1999 - I have no clue if they are still rigorously pursuing game authors. I'm not really sure what the story is with Edtris, Cubis, or Tetris26. I just supposed that the Tetris Company must have gotten after the authors, since I haven't seen any of these games for sale since Hozer days. BTW, I would also think any Nintendo trademarks would be taboo as well. 713092[/snapback] Goodluck with that deal. There must be 7,498 Tetris clones minimum. Tee hee. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-861428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmel_andrews Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 And i suppose that what applies to 'software' also applies to hardware and coding techniques like hardware scrolling, sprite scrolling, multi colour playfield graphics, split screen graphics.. etc etc, I believe that a majority of hardware coding/software coding technologies/techniques are still under the umbrella of Atari's library of patents, like the above examples and various others not mentioned here And on the hardware side, I suppose that's why we have yet to see an A8 (atari 8bit) clone or 3rd party compatible, atari st clone (the milan and c lab jobbies are apparently based on the tt and falcon rather then the ST) also an atari lynx/jaguar clone or 3rd party compatible I don't regard the 'flashback' series as clones as their primarily based on 'emulators' Even the Amiga Inc's 'amiga one' machine is a PC running WinUAE... Boring Hm... Edtris was sold for years without any problems I think. A while back I read that the Tetris Company were going after all Tetris clones, claiming to have a copyright on "the look and feel" of Tetris. I just looked it up, and several articles turned up in the search. I nabbed up the link for the first name I recognized - <a href="http://slashdot.org/articles/99/02/19/0827245.shtml">Slashdot</a> It's back from 1999 - I have no clue if they are still rigorously pursuing game authors. I'm not really sure what the story is with Edtris, Cubis, or Tetris26. I just supposed that the Tetris Company must have gotten after the authors, since I haven't seen any of these games for sale since Hozer days. BTW, I would also think any Nintendo trademarks would be taboo as well. 713092[/snapback] Goodluck with that deal. There must be 7,498 Tetris clones minimum. Tee hee. 861428[/snapback] Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-865401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi301 Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 I guess the easier question would be "What companies don't bother to harass people programming for old systems?" Taito and Namco are apparently cool w/ Eduardo making Space Invaders Collection and Pac-Man Collection for the CV . . . What about Exidy and Star Fire/ Death Derby? 729349[/snapback] Exidy went out of business in the mid '90s. I don't think they'd care. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-896707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi301 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I can't sell my Super 255-Screen Non-Infringing Ball and Paddle Video Game? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-901222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 I don't know, my gut says that still is illegal. After all, if photocopy a book for you, that you bring in to my shop, that is still illegal. In this case, though, I don't know where the legal responsibility would lay. I have a feeling that any legal team would probably just sue everybody involved, if their cease and desist letters didn't have any effect. That's what Randy Crihfield used to do. He would burn any ROM image you wanted, regardless of whether it was a homebrew title or not. It's grey, though, because how different is that from, let's say, hosting a ROM image which someone could download and load up their Supercharger or other multicart with? I guess the only difference is that it's presumed that very few people have such carts. That's not even taking into account emulation. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-917285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 And i suppose that what applies to 'software' also applies to hardware and coding techniques like hardware scrolling, sprite scrolling, multi colour playfield graphics, split screen graphics.. etc etc, I believe that a majority of hardware coding/software coding technologies/techniques are still under the umbrella of Atari's library of patents, like the above examples and various others not mentioned here The patents filed in relation to the 2600 and probably also the Atari 8-bit hardware have both expired by now. Not sure about the 7800. I think the expiration is 20 or 25 years on patents. I think the clock starts on when the patent is filed, not when it was granted. So both of these would be over 25 years old now. I think this is also why people can get away cloning the NES since the hardware is over 20 years old (not that they wouldn't do it anyway even if it is illegal). The original NES patent was probably filed in '83 or something. Copyrights are what last such an insanely long time. So anyone can legally clone the 2600 or A8, even by using Atari's original proprietary schematics as a guide vs. cleanroom reverse-engineering methods. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-917292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybergoth Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 Hi there! http://www.lucasfangames.de/ Greetings, Manuel Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-946364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brpocock Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 A while back I read that the Tetris Company were going after all Tetris clones, claiming to have a copyright on "the look and feel" of Tetris. 713092[/snapback] For the record ... yeah. Been there, gotten that C&D. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-1007981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybergoth Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 A while back I read that the Tetris Company were going after all Tetris clones, claiming to have a copyright on "the look and feel" of Tetris.For the record ... yeah. Been there, gotten that C&D. Thanks for confirming. I added Tetris to the main list. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-1008468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear69designs Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Does anyone know who currently owns the trademarks/copyrights on M Network and Data Age? Specifically I'm wondering about the company names and logos. Thanks for any info... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-1047041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybergoth Posted April 6, 2006 Author Share Posted April 6, 2006 Well, someone _always_ owns the copyrights. The Trademarks are both dead though: M-Network Data Age Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-1047054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+xucaen Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 The patents filed in relation to the 2600 and probably also the Atari 8-bit hardware have both expired by now. Not sure about the 7800. I think the expiration is 20 or 25 years on patents. I think the clock starts on when the patent is filed, not when it was granted. So both of these would be over 25 years old now. I think this is also why people can get away cloning the NES since the hardware is over 20 years old (not that they wouldn't do it anyway even if it is illegal). The original NES patent was probably filed in '83 or something. Copyrights are what last such an insanely long time. So anyone can legally clone the 2600 or A8, even by using Atari's original proprietary schematics as a guide vs. cleanroom reverse-engineering methods. Hi there, my guess on this is that Infogrames renewed the patents when they released the Flashback 2. I've read that a FB2 can be modded to play carts, so that would mean they used the same schematics (or very nearly so). I did a google search and found this link: http://corporate.infogrames.com/pressrelea...ry.html?sid=599 Unfortunately, my work has a proxy server that is blocking access to infogrames so I have not read it yet. Jim Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-1101663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybergoth Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 A patent can't be renewed. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-1101669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+xucaen Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 A patent can't be renewed. In that case they would probably have a new patent for the flashback 2. At least I should think so.. At any rate I don't know much about patents, never had one myself. But I did some quick searches at http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html. I didn't find anything specific about the flashback, but look what I did find. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...S=atari+AND+vcs Jim Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-1101704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybergoth Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 In that case they would probably have a new patent for the flashback 2. At least I should think so.. A patent will only be granted for something new and innovative, so I'd highly doubt anything in the FB2 can be considered patentworthy. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/58469-list-of-taboo-trademarks/page/2/#findComment-1101784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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