Rick Weis Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 http://www.atariage.com/software_page.html...areLabelID=1579 does this exist? Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 We've only put PAL games into our database that we've been able to personally verify with a photo, scan, or seeing it ourselves. I don't own a copy myself, but at least one copy exists in some form. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 We've only put PAL games into our database that we've been able to personally verify with a photo, scan, or seeing it ourselves. I don't own a copy myself, but at least one copy exists in some form. ..Al Does this mean that Pmucki I amd Wilma Wanderer also exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 What about all those Homevision carts that no one, including Marco have been able to identify as actually existing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarianer2003 Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 We've only put PAL games into our database that we've been able to personally verify with a photo, scan, or seeing it ourselves. I don't own a copy myself, but at least one copy exists in some form. ..Al Does this mean that Pmucki I amd Wilma Wanderer also exist? Yes - but "Pmucki I" is named "Pumuckl", a bavarian comic gnom Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 I've never seen Base Attack, Wilma Wanderer or Pumuckl I. A German collector once told me he had a prototype of Wilma Wanderer, but he never sent me a picture of the game. I think none of these three game exists, at least not in official released form. Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Weis Posted December 28, 2004 Author Share Posted December 28, 2004 We've only put PAL games into our database that we've been able to personally verify with a photo, scan, or seeing it ourselves. I don't own a copy myself, but at least one copy exists in some form. ..Al so these 3 (Base Attack, Wilma Wanderer or Pumuckl I) exist? where and when did you find out about these? i won't even start with your homevision lists.. i know most on my wanted list are not even confirmed yet. BTW: why no cart scans of most of these? Sorry, not attacking you. but if these do exist i need to add them to my wanted list. and maybe even if they don't exist. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A2600 Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 This is the same ITT as the school ITT Tech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 so these 3 (Base Attack, Wilma Wanderer or Pumuckl I) exist? where and when did you find out about these? I need to look through emails--either Alex or I have seen these games or someone sent us scans or pictures of them. BTW: why no cart scans of most of these? When we received a good scan of a game, we tried to put it online. But many of the images we've received as confirmation for PAL titles haven't been that great (many have just been pictures taken with a digital camera). I do have on loan a few hundred PAL carts (mostly Brazilian, I think) that I need to scan and put online (some are probably not yet listed, either). Sorry, not attacking you. but if these do exist i need to add them to my wanted list. and maybe even if they don't exist. I understand--I'll try to see if I can dig up our source (or sources) for Base Attack, Wilma Wanderer and Pumuckl . ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cootster Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 This is the same ITT as the school ITT Tech? Division of the same international conglomerate, yep . . . They only released games in Europe, seemingly drawing from the same pool of games as the other PAL-only companies . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 This is the same ITT as the school ITT Tech? Yeah... ITT is a huge company, they have a communications division, an education division, they actually used to own Sheraton Hotels.. don't know if they still do... AND, they used to make components for military weaponry. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathtrappomegranate Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 ...they used to make components for military weaponry. So maybe they did make "Base Attack" - but maybe it's not a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Base Attack (AKA Z-Tack) Home Vision (13) 1983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Atarimania has a scanned ITT catalog with the announcement of Pumuckl I (not Pmucki I) and Wilma Wanderer: http://www.atarimania.com/det_cat.php?EDIT...ATALOGUE_ID=100 Together with Peter penguin they formed the first three titles of the Pumuckl-Serie. Base Attack from ITT is a fable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 My 'guess' is that Pumuckl I from ITT Family Games is the same game as Zoo Fun (AKA Panda Chase) from Home Vision and that Wilma Wanderer (ITT) is the same game as Lilly Adventure (Home Vision). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 My 'guess' is that Pumuckl I from ITT Family Games is the same game as Zoo Fun (AKA Panda Chase) from Home Vision... Both games share the same codebase (CloneSpy), but they are still quite different and Zoo Fun is the Pumuckl game (or should become it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Pumuckl I (ITT) is the same game as Zoo Fun (Home Vision) and Zoo Fun is a hack of Panda Chase (also from Home Vision). Thomas, Do you know if there's any traces of Home Vision in the following ROMS: Criminal Pursuit Dragon Defender Farmyard Fun Hole Hunter Motocross (Quelle) I mean like the graphic data you found in Sancho's Words-Attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Pumuckl I (ITT) is the same game as Zoo Fun (Home Vision) and Zoo Fun is a hack of Panda Chase (also from Home Vision). Not exactly a hack, but a game based on the same codebase. If it would be a hack, then a simple filecompare would still find identical code. But except from the first ~200 bytes, the bytes almost never match. So, the programmer of Zoo Fun either had the original code of Panda Chase or he had made a complete disassembly of the ROM. Do you know if there's any traces of Home Vision in the following ROMS: Criminal Pursuit Dragon Defender Farmyard Fun Hole Hunter Motocross (Quelle) I mean like the graphic data you found in Sancho's Words-Attack? No obvious graphic data in Criminal Pursuit, Dragon Defender, Farmyard Fun and Hole Hunter. I could to scrutinize the code and look for some programming patterns, but that would take quite a lot of time. But I had more luck and found 'homevision' inside Motocross (Quelle), the logo starts at offset $dc8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I knew it! Great, Thomas! I think there are traces of Home Vision in Sancho games as well (beside Words-Attack). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Some more interesting CloneSpy results (using -t15, lower values show even more links, but then it gets very speculative): 0 1 2 3 4 5 0 I.Q. 180 (HomeVision) (PAL)······························ · 20 20 - - - 1 Dice Puzzle (Sancho) (PAL) [!]··························· = · 26 - - - 2 Laser Base (AKA World End) (ITT Family Games) (PAL) [!]·· 23 = · 17 - - 3 Meteor Defense (ITT Family Games) (PAL) [!]·············· - - 14 · 16 15 4 Sea Hawk (AKA Overkill-RVision) (1982) (Sancho) (PAL) [!] - - - = · 16 5 Exocet (AKA Space Eagle) (Sancho-Goliath) (PAL) [!]······ - - - = = · 0 1 0 Parachute (HomeVision) (PAL)········································· · 15 1 Motocross (Starsoft) (PAL) [!]······································· = · 0 1 2 0 Zoo Fun (HomeVision)·············································· · 49 24 1 Panda Chase (HomeVision)·········································· = · 27 2 Ski Hunt (HomeVision) (PAL)······································· = 30 · Not 100% reliable, but still. Especially those higher values > 20 are quite convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Indeed... Thanks again, Thomas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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