Tempest Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I have a dumb question: Is the Atari ST joystick port pinout the same as the 2600's? They look similar, but I know that doesn't always mean they are. What is the best joystick to use with the ST? Mine came with a Gravis Pad which is ok, but some games work best with a real joystick. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I have a dumb question: Is the Atari ST joystick port pinout the same as the 2600's? They look similar, but I know that doesn't always mean they are. What is the best joystick to use with the ST? Mine came with a Gravis Pad which is ok, but some games work best with a real joystick. Tempest 930614[/snapback] Hmm, I'm not sure - I know that you can use joysticks between the 8bit line of computers and the STs with no problem. Its a very subjective thing, but I like a Wico BOSS or the Wico model with the ergonomic hand grip. Best Electronics sells some pretty good joysticks, although they might be considered a little pricey. HTHs. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 I have a dumb question: Is the Atari ST joystick port pinout the same as the 2600's? They look similar, but I know that doesn't always mean they are. What is the best joystick to use with the ST? Mine came with a Gravis Pad which is ok, but some games work best with a real joystick. Tempest 930614[/snapback] Hmm, I'm not sure - I know that you can use joysticks between the 8bit line of computers and the STs with no problem. Its a very subjective thing, but I like a Wico BOSS or the Wico model with the ergonomic hand grip. Best Electronics sells some pretty good joysticks, although they might be considered a little pricey. HTHs. :-) 930628[/snapback] If they work with 8-bit joysticks then they work with 2600 sticks. But do ST games make use of more than one button? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjlazer Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 (edited) I have a dumb question: Is the Atari ST joystick port pinout the same as the 2600's? They look similar, but I know that doesn't always mean they are. What is the best joystick to use with the ST? Mine came with a Gravis Pad which is ok, but some games work best with a real joystick. Tempest 930614[/snapback] Hmm, I'm not sure - I know that you can use joysticks between the 8bit line of computers and the STs with no problem. Its a very subjective thing, but I like a Wico BOSS or the Wico model with the ergonomic hand grip. Best Electronics sells some pretty good joysticks, although they might be considered a little pricey. HTHs. :-) 930628[/snapback] If they work with 8-bit joysticks then they work with 2600 sticks. But do ST games make use of more than one button? Tempest 930631[/snapback] No. I have never run into a single game that did. Commodore's Amiga (how dare I mention that name here!), on the other hand, started supporting extra buttons with the release of the CD32 console and the A1200. Edited September 14, 2005 by tjlazer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarian1 Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 I have a dumb question: Is the Atari ST joystick port pinout the same as the 2600's? They look similar, but I know that doesn't always mean they are. What is the best joystick to use with the ST? Mine came with a Gravis Pad which is ok, but some games work best with a real joystick. Tempest 930614[/snapback] Hmm, I'm not sure - I know that you can use joysticks between the 8bit line of computers and the STs with no problem. Its a very subjective thing, but I like a Wico BOSS or the Wico model with the ergonomic hand grip. Best Electronics sells some pretty good joysticks, although they might be considered a little pricey. HTHs. :-) 930628[/snapback] If they work with 8-bit joysticks then they work with 2600 sticks. But do ST games make use of more than one button? Tempest 930631[/snapback] Atari 2600/8-bit joysticks work fine with the ST. No 7800 sticks though. The second button screws things up. Many games took advantage of multiple buttons by using the keyboard. So you have one button on the joystick...and 95 more buttons on the keyboard. Or does that count? Mouse games generally used two buttons though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikor Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Yes, it is same!!! You can use joystick from Atari 2600/Atari 8-bit computers and other systems like this. You can't use analog joystick like Atari 5200. You can use (in some games) jaguar game pads (in STE and Falcon only). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory DG Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Atari 2600/8-bit joysticks work fine with the ST. No 7800 sticks though. The second button screws things up. I used a 7800 ProLine with my 1040 STe almost exclusively. Worked perfectly fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 14, 2005 Author Share Posted September 14, 2005 Atari 2600/8-bit joysticks work fine with the ST. No 7800 sticks though. The second button screws things up. I used a 7800 ProLine with my 1040 STe almost exclusively. Worked perfectly fine. 931063[/snapback] Probably because the STe ports are different then the regular ST's. But then again, why on earth would you want to use a painline 7800 controller? To each his own I guess. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikor Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Probably because the STe ports are different then the regular ST's. But then again, why on earth would you want to use a painline 7800 controller? To each his own I guess. Tempest 931072[/snapback] No, STe ports for standard joystick are same that ST. Different are in analog joystick ports (DB15 - for analog joystick, jaguar pads etc) - in ST are no one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Yes, it is same!!! You can use joystick from Atari 2600/Atari 8-bit computers and other systems like this.You can't use analog joystick like Atari 5200. You can use (in some games) jaguar game pads (in STE and Falcon only). 931039[/snapback] Generally speaking, I believe thats right - but doesn't Best Electronics sell an adaptor that wiil let you use the Jaguar game pad with *any* Atari? Seems like I remember such a beast.... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory DG Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 why on earth would you want to use a painline 7800 controller? To each his own I guess. 931072[/snapback] Dunno, I actually like them. They're a heck of a lot more responsive than the standard 2600 joystick (unless you take the "rubber" off of them.) Plus, they didn't look as "old fashioned" as the originals. I still use mine with my 7800 +CC2 instead of 2600 sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikor Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Generally speaking, I believe thats right - but doesn't Best Electronics sell an adaptor that wiil let you use the Jaguar game pad with *any* Atari? Seems like I remember such a beast.... :-) 931110[/snapback] Because in STE and in Falcon are built in. Search at left (or right - i do not remember) side of cover, twoo DB15 ports (like VGA port) are ports for analog joystick/jaguar gamepad. Games? For example: Arena 5 (or like sth) and Wally's Adventure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krupkaj Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 What I know there is difference in pin 5 and 9 in joystick connector. While on 8 bit there are analog inputs on ST there they are digital. 7800 joystick uses these inputs for A and B buttons recognition, but the ST is confused when analog signal comes to these pins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geosteve Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I use a 7800 joystick on my 1040STE too, plugged in the port 1 plug (which is default for most 1 player games) and it works fine. A 7800 controller in port 0, the mouse port, does not work. I've also tried the Atari Trak-Ball in both ports, works fine. As for the 15-pin ports on the side, never used them. Jaguar controllers fit but I have nothing that uses them. I have the Gauntlet II game and tried them once for players 3 & 4 but no effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I use a 7800 joystick on my 1040STE too, plugged in the port 1 plug (which is default for most 1 player games) and it works fine. A 7800 controller in port 0, the mouse port, does not work. I've also tried the Atari Trak-Ball in both ports, works fine. As for the 15-pin ports on the side, never used them. Jaguar controllers fit but I have nothing that uses them. I have the Gauntlet II game and tried them once for players 3 & 4 but no effect 933593[/snapback] There is an adaptor (don't know if its still available or not, but I did have it once) that plugs into the parrallel printer port, IIRC, that lets you play 3 or 4 player with Guantlet II. We've done it here. Pretty fun, but with 4 players on that 12" monitor, it gets a bit crowded. Something else equally amazing to me, is that the game does not slow down. Pretty neat. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geosteve Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 You're right Gauntlet II looks and plays great on the ST I also have many other of Atari [Games] titles for the ST, most made by Mindscape and U S Gold. Road Runner and Xybots to name a couple. I see on KLOV.com that many arcade games run on the MC68000 processor the ST uses so the graphics are near perfect, sounds are not the same though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAtariKing Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 (edited) I have a dumb question: Is the Atari ST joystick port pinout the same as the 2600's? They look similar, but I know that doesn't always mean they are. What is the best joystick to use with the ST? Mine came with a Gravis Pad which is ok, but some games work best with a real joystick. Tempest 930614[/snapback] The highest quality and best joystick for an Atari ST is the Wico Bat-Handle. I have attached a picture of this famous joystick. The Wico joysticks are better then the Competition Pro joysticks, that the Europeans love so much. Edited September 19, 2005 by TheAtariKing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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