Saccharin Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Hey guys. Well, I've got a rebuilt (and soon to be modified with S-video) 5200, and just bought a Lynx off eBay. I'm curious about the Jag. I've done some reading on it, and while it seems like a cool system, it doesn't really jump out at me. Am I missing something? I'm an Atari fan (obviously) and a fan of the era when the Jag came out but I need some persuasion. In short, why should I get a Jag? (And please don't tell me the boxes look cool! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter_J64bit Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Hey guys. Well, I've got a rebuilt (and soon to be modified with S-video) 5200, and just bought a Lynx off eBay. I'm curious about the Jag. I've done some reading on it, and while it seems like a cool system, it doesn't really jump out at me. Am I missing something? I'm an Atari fan (obviously) and a fan of the era when the Jag came out but I need some persuasion. In short, why should I get a Jag? (And please don't tell me the boxes look cool! ) 1011645[/snapback] The boxes look cool! but anyway here is an URL to the new Jag game GORF! a must have for any Atari fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Take a look at the Jag games here in AA's Jaguar section, if you still can't see a reason to get the Jag, then maybe you shouldn't. Being an Atari fan should be enough, especially after you see the games. The system has it's dogs which we can tell you to steer clear of, at least until you've checked out the rest, and by then you may have a reason to get the dogs (like having a complete library of games). But the ratio of great/good games vs. bad is pretty darn good considering there are less than a hundred games for the system. Tell us what type of games you like, and we can reccomend those types as well as some of the over-all hits. But if nothing jumps out at you after checking the games out, well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 The best reason to get one is that someone will eventually tell you to turn the Jag off and then you can laugh and laugh. The next best reason is that you can tell strangers that you own a Jag. They'll think you are talking about the car, so it's a win-win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saccharin Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 LOL Well guys, I'm looking at the Jag screen shots and then I'm looking at 3DO screenshots. The 3DO looks pretty damn good!! *ducks* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC Modeler Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Get a 3DO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 I used to own a couple of Jaguars with a very decent collection of most of the cartridges released, including the more unusual and rare carts like Battlesphere, Skyhammer, and Breakout 2000. Most of the games were ports from other systems, especially the Genesis. Unfortunately, about 3/4s of the games are mediocre or worse. However, there were a few real gems such as Tempest 2000. The three games I mention above are great, as are Iron Soldier, Power Drive Rally, and a handful of others. If you've got a couple hundred bucks kicking around, it would be worth your while to pick up a Jaguar with a handful of the better games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsoper Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 The boxes look cool! 1011649[/snapback] Hey no fair, that line is reserved for Odyssey 2 collectors. Don't take that away too, they have so little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Kai Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 LOL Well guys, I'm looking at the Jag screen shots and then I'm looking at 3DO screenshots. The 3DO looks pretty damn good!! *ducks* 1011682[/snapback] Both systems have games worth owning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsoper Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 But the ratio of great/good games vs. bad is pretty darn good considering there are less than a hundred games for the system. 1011662[/snapback] Unfortunately, about 3/4s of the games are mediocre or worse. 1011746[/snapback] I guess 1 out of 4 games being good is great news Just kidding, I'm loving Protector on my Jag, worth ever penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saccharin Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 Wow guys, I've been looking at more 3DO screen shots and I think I'm falling in love. The graphics are amazing! 3D without that stupid, blocky, polygon crap that is so prevelant today. And it plays CD-R back-ups! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Scientist Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Wow guys, I've been looking at more 3DO screen shots and I think I'm falling in love. The graphics are amazing! 3D without that stupid, blocky, polygon crap that is so prevelant today. And it plays CD-R back-ups! 1011805[/snapback] I have most of the Jag releases and enjoy the system quite a bit. I've also had 3DO systems for almost as long, having purchased both around 1995, and have a similar number of games for it (~70, I think). I get a kick out of both systems. The big benefits from the Jag (for me) are the titles that were either Jag-only or had their best versions on it, the fact that there is still active development, and the community on this site and others. I've also enjoyed networked games, although mostly at conventions; if you don't have contact with other Jaguar owners, this isn't a selling point. The 3DO has some very fun games, including some exclusives and "best version" titles (and its share of mediocre ones and dogs, like any system), but there's nothing new coming for it [some developers claim otherwise, but I haven't seen product]. I also haven't found any communities that actively support it; there used to be good websites like Erin Fritz's, and Usenet was fine before porn spam took over, but active discussion is now hard to find. It's library is much larger, though, and games are generally cheaper... you may want to get the 3DO first. Japanese titles generally work just fine, too... kanji capabilities affect some games, I think, and some others may use the MPEG add-on, but it is good system for dabbling in foreign games. Just call the "CD-R backups" what they are: pirated intellectual property. Anyone with a defensible right to a "back-up" doesn't need one: they have functional original media that will probably outlast the CD-R anyway. I guess I'm just not a warez guy... sorry if I'm overly grumpy about that. There are several threads on AA covering 3DO and Jaguar game recommendations. You should check them out. Oh, and if you look at the right (wrong?) 3DO games, you _will_ see "that stupid, blocky, polygon crap." Blocky isn't always bad, though... whether on the 3DO, Jaguar, or VCS -Mad Scientist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saccharin Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 Just call the "CD-R backups" what they are: pirated intellectual property. Anyone with a defensible right to a "back-up" doesn't need one: they have functional original media that will probably outlast the CD-R anyway. I guess I'm just not a warez guy... sorry if I'm overly grumpy about that Not any chance of losing, misplacing, damaging, or having the original disc stolen is there? Oh, and if you look at the right (wrong?) 3DO games, you _will_ see "that stupid, blocky, polygon crap." Blocky isn't always bad, though... whether on the 3DO, Jaguar, or VCS OK then, I'm going to have to look at some of the right/wrong 3DO titles so I can get this 4-hour hard-on down. P.S. And "blocky" sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaManFan Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 I'll give you five reasons. 1.) The press of the day treated the Atari Jaguar like a bastard stepchild, which in itself ought to inspire "is it that bad" curiosity. 2.) All of the Jaguar development docs and tools are publically available, meaning there's no reason new Jag games can't keep coming. 3.) A fine library of games during the original Jag's run are available at a non-prohibitive cost, as is the console itself. 4.) If you're looking for a system to collect a complete "commercial release" set for, Jaguar's list is relatively small. 5.) It's just f'n cool. It plays cartridge games +and+ CD's. It's a shame that in it's lifetime that wasn't fully exploited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Laird Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Wow guys, I've been looking at more 3DO screen shots and I think I'm falling in love. The graphics are amazing! 3D without that stupid, blocky, polygon crap that is so prevelant today. And it plays CD-R back-ups! 1011805[/snapback] One thing you have to remember is that because the 3DO was a CD machine it had alot of games that looked very pretty but you couldn't actually do much, games like Off World Interceptor and most of the other rubbish Crystal Dynamics did springs to mind. This was the bane of the CD systems, remember stuff like Cobra Command, Night Trap and Mega Race on the Mega (Sega) CD? The Jag really dosn't have any of these games "on-rails" except for Dragon's Lair and Space Ace on the Jag CD but does have many incredibly original and ground breaking games like Tempest 2000, Missile Command 3D, Iron Soldier 1&2, Battlesphere and Alien Vs. Predator. It also has many of THE best versions of multi-format games such as Doom, NBA Jam:TE, Powerdrive, Wolfenstien 3D, Raiden and Rayman. When looking at 3DO games bare in mind that it is a CD system where as the Jag is mostly a cartridge system. Look at the Jag CD games for a better comparison; American Hero, World Tour Racing, Battlesphere, Soulstar and Hoverstrike CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxsolo2000 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 As Mr Kizza stated so eloquently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarijagplayer Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 The Jag is by far the best classic NEXT-GEN system. The games are really cool, and most of them have a rockin' sound track (zero 5, and Tempest). Its really fun, but expensive, to collect for. The Jag is also quite durable, My 27" tv fell on top of my base unit/cd combo... The only thing that broke was the clear plastic piece on the CD lid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagFan422 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 as a collector item, get it, as a person that wants to play good games, then don't get it, the only good original games are the Iron soldiers and Alien Vs. Predator. If you have a pc, then you can already play the best versions of doom and wolfenstein. I'd go for the 3do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Yea... the Jaguar name is fitting but a decent sized library of (good) games can be had at a low cost... just have to find them in the right places and times. [ cart ] Alien Vs. Predator Atari Karts Battlesphere Gold Tempest 2000 Defender 2000 Flip Out Power Drive Rally Missile Command 3D Skiing & Snowboarding Protector Ultra Vortek Zero 5 [ cd ] VLM Battlemorph Gorf American Hero (haha) People quickly overlook the Vid Grid and Blue Lightning games because they are pack-ins. I'll admit Blue Lightning hasn't aged very well... but I enjoyed the game and beat the hell out of it back in 95! If you haven't played either.... they are cool to check out! Vid Grid is more of a casual game in my opinion though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 as a collector item, get it, as a person that wants to play good games, then don't get it, the only good original games are the Iron soldiers and Alien Vs. Predator. If you have a pc, then you can already play the best versions of doom and wolfenstein. I'd go for the 3do. 1011986[/snapback] You don't like Tempest 2000? eh.... hmm.... I don't think there's a single person I've ran across that doesn't like tempest 2000.... along with a few of the other games (at least) of Jag games I've mentioned above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 as a collector item, get it, as a person that wants to play good games, then don't get it, the only good original games are the Iron soldiers and Alien Vs. Predator. If you have a pc, then you can already play the best versions of doom and wolfenstein. So mister JagFan doesn't consider Tempest 2000 to be a good game. Gawd, just die already, would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 as a collector item, get it, as a person that wants to play good games, then don't get it, the only good original games are the Iron soldiers and Alien Vs. Predator. If you have a pc, then you can already play the best versions of doom and wolfenstein. So mister JagFan doesn't consider Tempest 2000 to be a good game. Gawd, just die already, would you? 1012008[/snapback] Rare, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory DG Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Here's my reasons to buy a Jaguar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Here's my reasons to buy a Jaguar 1012010[/snapback] Awww... look at that! I just got a warm fuzzy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saccharin Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 (edited) I'll give you five reasons. 1.) The press of the day treated the Atari Jaguar like a bastard stepchild, which in itself ought to inspire "is it that bad" curiosity. 2.) All of the Jaguar development docs and tools are publically available, meaning there's no reason new Jag games can't keep coming. 3.) A fine library of games during the original Jag's run are available at a non-prohibitive cost, as is the console itself. 4.) If you're looking for a system to collect a complete "commercial release" set for, Jaguar's list is relatively small. 5.) It's just f'n cool. It plays cartridge games +and+ CD's. It's a shame that in it's lifetime that wasn't fully exploited. 1011919[/snapback] One thing you have to remember is that because the 3DO was a CD machine it had alot of games that looked very pretty but you couldn't actually do much, games like Off World Interceptor and most of the other rubbish Crystal Dynamics did springs to mind. This was the bane of the CD systems, remember stuff like Cobra Command, Night Trap and Mega Race on the Mega (Sega) CD? The Jag really dosn't have any of these games "on-rails" except for Dragon's Lair and Space Ace on the Jag CD but does have many incredibly original and ground breaking games like Tempest 2000, Missile Command 3D, Iron Soldier 1&2, Battlesphere and Alien Vs. Predator. It also has many of THE best versions of multi-format games such as Doom, NBA Jam:TE, Powerdrive, Wolfenstien 3D, Raiden and Rayman. When looking at 3DO games bare in mind that it is a CD system where as the Jag is mostly a cartridge system. Look at the Jag CD games for a better comparison; American Hero, World Tour Racing, Battlesphere, Soulstar and Hoverstrike CD. The Jag is by far the best classic NEXT-GEN system. The games are really cool, and most of them have a rockin' sound track (zero 5, and Tempest). Its really fun, but expensive, to collect for. The Jag is also quite durable, My 27" tv fell on top of my base unit/cd combo... The only thing that broke was the clear plastic piece on the CD lid. as a collector item, get it, as a person that wants to play good games, then don't get it, the only good original games are the Iron soldiers and Alien Vs. Predator. If you have a pc, then you can already play the best versions of doom and wolfenstein. I'd go for the 3do. 1011986[/snapback] Thank you. Those are the kind of replies I've been looking for. Here's my reasons to buy a Jaguar But I wanna play Family Feud! LOL! Edited February 3, 2006 by Saccharin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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