bobc Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 I'm new here, and have been enjoying the previous posts by everyone. It's great to know that there is still support for the ST! My question is, is there any _currently_available_ adapter to connect a 520ST to an EtherNet network? Thanks for any info! Bob C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 It is my understanding that etherNec is available frome some vendors AND at ebay, AND all the schematics are available for anyone to toy with electronics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 It is my understanding that etherNec is available frome some vendors AND at ebay, AND all the schematics are available for anyone to toy with electronics. 1028155[/snapback] Rory sells it. I've got one. It does work. You have to use the STing software with it. Its not as fast as a "true" LAN/ethernet but its waaaay faster than serial port speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobc Posted March 4, 2006 Author Share Posted March 4, 2006 It is my understanding that etherNec is available frome some vendors AND at ebay, AND all the schematics are available for anyone to toy with electronics. 1028155[/snapback] I checked eBay, and couldn't find anything. Where might the schematics be found? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobc Posted March 4, 2006 Author Share Posted March 4, 2006 It is my understanding that etherNec is available frome some vendors AND at ebay, AND all the schematics are available for anyone to toy with electronics. 1028155[/snapback] Rory sells it. I've got one. It does work. You have to use the STing software with it. Its not as fast as a "true" LAN/ethernet but its waaaay faster than serial port speeds. 1028182[/snapback] I guess the next obvious question is, "Who's Rory?" And where might one find this "STing" software? Sorry for all the questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 I guess the next obvious question is, "Who's Rory?" And where might one find this "STing" software? Sorry for all the questions! 1028199[/snapback] Rory McMahon makes and sells the EtherNEC. Here is the URL to his page: http://fujiman.no-ip.com/ The kit comes with a CD with a bunch of software and instructions. Here are some other links to get you started: http://www.anodynesoftware.com/ethernet/main.htm http://home.arcor.de/thomas.redelberger/prj/atari/etherne/ http://hardware.atari.org/ether/ and about the questions - the only dumb one is the one not asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krupkaj Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 (edited) Its not as fast as a "true" LAN/ethernet but its waaaay faster than serial port speeds. 1028182[/snapback] Why you think EtherNEC is not "true" ethernet? Of course it is! Yes it is only 8bit but ST hasn't full ISA bus so there must be a little adapter. BTW my EtherNEC on TT reach 200 - 300 KB per second while the "true" VME ethernet cards reach 400 KB per second, so I think it is not so bad. Edited March 4, 2006 by krupkaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobc Posted March 5, 2006 Author Share Posted March 5, 2006 THANKS! Bob Rory McMahon makes and sells the EtherNEC. Here is the URL to his page: http://fujiman.no-ip.com/ The kit comes with a CD with a bunch of software and instructions. Here are some other links to get you started: http://www.anodynesoftware.com/ethernet/main.htm http://home.arcor.de/thomas.redelberger/prj/atari/etherne/ http://hardware.atari.org/ether/ and about the questions - the only dumb one is the one not asked. 1028255[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanallan Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 (edited) Please check this out: http://www.netburner.com/products/developm...evelopment.html Maybe this is a naive question, but why can't a serial-ethernet adapter be made like a modem? It can take the serial connection and change it to the signals needed by ethernet. I'm taking networking in school, and this kind of thing is done for win95 computers all the time when the books demand that that old computer be used. I didn't look too hard at that webpage, but a rom that gives the adapter box instructions in how it should talk sounds like it would work. The rom would be programmed via a different computer, you would set the thing up to work with tos and then move it over to the tos machine. If this could work, I may get someone to make one for me. First me, then release it under a reallycool gnu license:) Maybe somethig cheaper. $399 is a little high. Any thoughts? Nathan Edited March 13, 2006 by nathanallan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krupkaj Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 What I know DarkLord has Lantronic for his BBS. But I am not sure it is the best solution for ST line computers. It is not cheap and it is limited to speed of serial port. I know it has complete TCP/IP stack inside. But I think the ethernec with STIK stack is better for internet browsing. I would like to know what BBS software DarkLord use. Is possible to use it together with native TCP/IP stack or is it serial port only? Do you have some FAQ howto make own BBS using Atari ST line computer? I am interested in that topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Please check this out: http://www.netburner.com/products/developm...evelopment.html Maybe this is a naive question, but why can't a serial-ethernet adapter be made like a modem? It can take the serial connection and change it to the signals needed by ethernet. I'm taking networking in school, and this kind of thing is done for win95 computers all the time when the books demand that that old computer be used. I didn't look too hard at that webpage, but a rom that gives the adapter box instructions in how it should talk sounds like it would work. The rom would be programmed via a different computer, you would set the thing up to work with tos and then move it over to the tos machine. If this could work, I may get someone to make one for me. First me, then release it under a reallycool gnu license:) Maybe somethig cheaper. $399 is a little high. Any thoughts? Nathan Umm, thats exactly what the Lantronix UDS10 does. It connects to your ST (or any comps) serial port and then you plug the cat5 cable from your LAN into it. I believe mine was about $150 delivered (that might be a little higher or lower but thats close). I use it to run my BBS by telnet (see sig). Here is their URL: http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking...ers/uds-10.html They've got a lot of nifty stuff. You might want to poke around a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 What I know DarkLord has Lantronic for his BBS. But I am not sure it is the best solution for ST line computers. It is not cheap and it is limited to speed of serial port. I know it has complete TCP/IP stack inside. But I think the ethernec with STIK stack is better for internet browsing. I would like to know what BBS software DarkLord use. Is possible to use it together with native TCP/IP stack or is it serial port only? Do you have some FAQ howto make own BBS using Atari ST line computer? I am interested in that topic. I agree, for general purpose/all around use, the EtherNEC is better for an ST, especially when it comes to web-browsing. Its faster for sure. I use BBS Express ST! v1.98a, and unfortunately, it is no longer supported. Development ended around 1999 or so. I've been unable to reach or contact the author, Rich Sanchez in any way. It does -not- support a tcp/ip stack, only the serial port (and modem 1 at that). Thats why I picked the UDS10. I didn't want to learn a new BBS setup, and frankly, I'm not sure that any do support tcp/ip. I know there are a couple of emulated Atari BBSs (Atari BBS software running through an emulator on a modern PC). I believe that Mark Ducksworth has expressed interest in updating/upgrading Octopus BBS software so that it can use the tcp/ip stack and support multiple connections. I've not heard anything more definite since he made that announcement though. Oh, I just about forgot about the Cold Winter Nights BBS. I believe that it does run on Atari hardware, uses Citadel BBS software, and supports multiple connnections, and the tcp/ip stack (STing). That URL is: http://www.coldwinterknights.net/ You might want to check it out, even though it looks like its not been updated since July 2005. Sorry, but I don't really have a FAQ or HOWTO like that.... HTHs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Umm, thats exactly what the Lantronix UDS10 does. It connects to your ST (or any comps) serial port and then you plug the cat5 cable from your LAN into it. I believe mine was about $150 delivered (that might be a little higher or lower but thats close). I use it to run my BBS by telnet (see sig). Here is their URL: http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking...ers/uds-10.html They've got a lot of nifty stuff. You might want to poke around a bit. I'll second the coolness of the UDS10. I just picked one up a week or so ago for $50. It is really neat. Now if I could just find a way to redirect a COM port on the PC to the UDS (to try and use software that won't talk IP) to see what happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanallan Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Awesome! Where can I get one for $50? Mouser wants $150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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