jbanes Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 With Atari's new management, I don't think we will see an Atari Flashback 3 from them. Indeed. I imagine most people don't realize how the new management would view Atari's assets. Creating gaming hardware as a toy is a low margin, high market volatility, high risk venture. Creating console games is a high margin, low market volatility, high risk venture. From a pure balance sheet perspective, pumping money into games seems to make more sense than creating new toy lines. Of course, the inherent foolishness in such a decision is that the Atari name is near valueless in the modern gaming market. In result, Atari would need to accept greater and greater risk if they wished to rebuild the brand from nothing. In the toy market, on the other hand, the Atari name is synonymous with classic gaming. There's a potential for quite a bit of growth there. Even to the point of using the toy market as a springboard for the more lucrative console gaming market. But execs don't see it that way. They have no "feel" for the brand. So they keep blindly pumping money into misusing and abusing a brand. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1632490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcv Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Certainly nothing they do could be as bad a Harley Davidson Televisions. (It was a branded TV in the 90s. Can you say, "Over diversified?" Can you say "brand confusion?") Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1632602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 We now return to "The atari flashback petition" with the specs Curt gave for the next flashback....Yes make it happen I want somemore Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1633186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 So, what games do you think the FB3 should include? Any requests? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1633277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+pboland Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 So, what games do you think the FB3 should include? Any requests? If it ends up being released, but not by Atari, what games other than home brews can they put in it? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1633337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1500 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 You might as well focus one's energy into some sort of homebrew-made FB3 instead of begging some company to do it, for you'll get a better return on investment. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1633345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericaesop Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i would pick one up in an instant Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1664422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 i would pick one up in an instant Come on Atari, let's get this done, and add a cartridge port too. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1664861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAtari2600 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) i would pick one up in an instant Come on Atari, let's get this done, and add a cartridge port too. if the cart port was added to the flashback you'd see a lot of people in my opinion buy it because A) cheap to make B) compatible with 2600 games from then people were kids C) Shows Atari lives on BUT NOW IN MAINSTREAM ... Almost Edited January 23, 2009 by MrAtari2600 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i would pick one up in an instant Come on Atari, let's get this done, and add a cartridge port too. if the cart port was added to the flashback you'd see a lot of people in my opinion buy it because A) cheap to make B) compatible with 2600 games from then people were kids C) Shows Atari lives on BUT NOW IN MAINSTREAM ... Almost I suppose an argument can made for the opposite effect. While it would be appealing for the several hundred active enthusiasts still kicking around these days, it might turn off the inactive nostalgist. Some type of flash solution sadly might be the most practical solution for the mass market. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBeefy Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i would pick one up in an instant Come on Atari, let's get this done, and add a cartridge port too. if the cart port was added to the flashback you'd see a lot of people in my opinion buy it because A) cheap to make B) compatible with 2600 games from then people were kids C) Shows Atari lives on BUT NOW IN MAINSTREAM ... Almost I suppose an argument can made for the opposite effect. While it would be appealing for the several hundred active enthusiasts still kicking around these days, it might turn off the inactive nostalgist. Some type of flash solution sadly might be the most practical solution for the mass market. I don't care if it has a flash drive, cartridge slot, or a woman that pops out of the box when you open it. I just want the thing to be made and sold. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math You Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 So, what games do you think the FB3 should include? Any requests? If it ends up being released, but not by Atari, what games other than home brews can they put in it? Activision/Imagic (Activision own the Imagic games) might be interested in putting their name on it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i would pick one up in an instant Come on Atari, let's get this done, and add a cartridge port too. if the cart port was added to the flashback you'd see a lot of people in my opinion buy it because A) cheap to make B) compatible with 2600 games from then people were kids C) Shows Atari lives on BUT NOW IN MAINSTREAM ... Almost Here's my ultimate dream: This Fall, Atari releases their FB3, with cart port. It's a huge success this Christmas and through next year. With the added funds, in 2011 Atari releases a modern system, to computer with releases of the PS4, XBox 720, and Nintendo Domination (I refuse to say Wii 2, It anmything it's Nintendo 6). We can always pray! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i would pick one up in an instant Come on Atari, let's get this done, and add a cartridge port too. if the cart port was added to the flashback you'd see a lot of people in my opinion buy it because A) cheap to make B) compatible with 2600 games from then people were kids C) Shows Atari lives on BUT NOW IN MAINSTREAM ... Almost I suppose an argument can made for the opposite effect. While it would be appealing for the several hundred active enthusiasts still kicking around these days, it might turn off the inactive nostalgist. Some type of flash solution sadly might be the most practical solution for the mass market. It wouldn't turn off anybody. If they don't want to use the cart port, no one will force them too. It will come with 40+ games built-in. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 [quote name='MrAtari2600' post='1665770' I suppose an argument can made for the opposite effect. While it would be appealing for the several hundred active enthusiasts still kicking around these days, it might turn off the inactive nostalgist. Some type of flash solution sadly might be the most practical solution for the mass market. It wouldn't turn off anybody. If they don't want to use the cart port, no one will force them too. It will come with 40+ games built-in. I'm talking about mass market intimidation factor. The cart port appeals to people like us, not "Joe Casual". Obviously I'd prefer it and think it should have it regardless, but to play devil's advocate there's no particular advantage to having one for Atari and several negatives, including additional cost of materials, which would hurt profits. As for your "ultimate dream" of Atari making a comeback in the console realm, considering it requires the company to be a huge international corporation with nearly unlimited funds to release a competitive console, that's a mighty big dream and would be the greatest corporate turnaround in history. I don't see what the big deal is anyway with needing an Atari branded console. Who makes the console shouldn't matter as long as the games are on there. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 [quote name='MrAtari2600' post='1665770' I suppose an argument can made for the opposite effect. While it would be appealing for the several hundred active enthusiasts still kicking around these days, it might turn off the inactive nostalgist. Some type of flash solution sadly might be the most practical solution for the mass market. It wouldn't turn off anybody. If they don't want to use the cart port, no one will force them too. It will come with 40+ games built-in. I'm talking about mass market intimidation factor. The cart port appeals to people like us, not "Joe Casual". Obviously I'd prefer it and think it should have it regardless, but to play devil's advocate there's no particular advantage to having one for Atari and several negatives, including additional cost of materials, which would hurt profits. As for your "ultimate dream" of Atari making a comeback in the console realm, considering it requires the company to be a huge international corporation with nearly unlimited funds to release a competitive console, that's a mighty big dream and would be the greatest corporate turnaround in history. I don't see what the big deal is anyway with needing an Atari branded console. Who makes the console shouldn't matter as long as the games are on there. I'm for company loyalty. I don't try and sway anyone's opinion, nor do I put anyone down, so don't flame me for this: I refuse to even play a Playstation or Xbox simply because Sony and MS were not in the video gaming business since the Golden Age or earler. I do play the Wii, only because Nintendo has been making video games since the 70's, starting out in the arcades. I don't play with new kids on the block. They have to trace their roots back nearly 30 years for me to even consider them. With that being said, I'll play the Wii, and would play an Atari or Sega system if they returned, and also would welcome systems from Capcom and Konami, companies that have been making video games starting with arcades for 30 years. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Rogue Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 As for your "ultimate dream" of Atari making a comeback in the console realm, considering it requires the company to be a huge international corporation with nearly unlimited funds to release a competitive console, that's a mighty big dream and would be the greatest corporate turnaround in history. Its a moot point. First, it has nothing to do with Atari Inc., Atari Interactive is the one that would be slapping the logo on it and giving permission - requires no turnaround for Atari Inc. Secondly, "Atari" is a huge international corporation - it exists solely as a brand name in complete control of Infogrames. Atari Inc. was just licensing the brand from them, and now with its complete acquisition, is just another full branch of Infogrames where all the subsidiaries are branded with the Atari name. Since Gardner and Harrison came on board, they moved even further to consolidate and position the brand as the main future of Infogrames including an international restructuring of operations this past year. As stated previously, they currently have no interest in Atari on any non-software product. That includes licensing out to others. They are extremely focused structurally on Harrison's online distribution vision. I don't see what the big deal is anyway with needing an Atari branded console. Who makes the console shouldn't matter as long as the games are on there. Yes, options are certainly always being investigated for anything we have in the pipeline. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1665981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkPortrait Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i doubt atari would make a fb3 but if they do put me down for one i hope they do! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1666010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuppicide Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Would be nice to see a bB game in the FB3 *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1666302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math You Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) I don't see what the big deal is anyway with needing an Atari branded console. Who makes the console shouldn't matter as long as the games are on there. Yes, options are certainly always being investigated for anything we have in the pipeline. Perhaps we should think of a new brand name, something that would be the spiritual successor to Atari? Aha! Just remembered, numbers cannot be registered as trademarks so it could be sold as a '2600' portable games console or an '800' computer. Edited January 24, 2009 by Math You Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1666379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAtari2600 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 i would pick one up in an instant Come on Atari, let's get this done, and add a cartridge port too. if the cart port was added to the flashback you'd see a lot of people in my opinion buy it because A) cheap to make B) compatible with 2600 games from then people were kids C) Shows Atari lives on BUT NOW IN MAINSTREAM ... Almost I suppose an argument can made for the opposite effect. While it would be appealing for the several hundred active enthusiasts still kicking around these days, it might turn off the inactive nostalgist. Some type of flash solution sadly might be the most practical solution for the mass market. wellthe NES has a new system a clone that plays NES and SNES games, And yet even though its selling quite a bit people still want the original system! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1666879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Now may not be the best time to market something as a toy. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1673135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl0re Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) Now may not be the best time to market something as a toy. Home entertainment stuff (including video games) always do well during recessions. Not like home video setups (Dolby systems with huge TVs) but yes for games, movies, et cetera. Market the thing as a money saver. Get a computer with $3000 worth of games (in 1984 prices)! for $75! But wait, there is more! Download more, inexpensive, games on your PC to flashcard memory to use on your flashback 3 computer! Flashcard included. Later, add a keyboard and printer for schoolwork! No internet available (wink). Umm, I sold myself. Wish they'd make them... I want a couple. Edited February 5, 2009 by sl0re Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1674984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frizo Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Atar Flashback 3? YAH I WOULD! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1738215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brojamfootball Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 As long as this thread has been bumped, I'll go ahead and make public my interest in the FB3. I'm the kind of guy who will probably end up owning four of them--I have three FB2s! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/88566-the-atari-flashback-3-petition/page/8/#findComment-1738253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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