Christophero Sly Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Al has recently indicated his willingness to make adjustments to the rarity guide. I think almost everyone here feels that the rarities of the Sears picture labels need to be updated. I know that there have been several threads about this subject already, but rather than resuscitate one of them, I figured we might as well start a fresh discussion. Below is my take on the relative rarities of the Sears picture label carts. The groups are listed in order of descending rarity. Within each grouping, I feel the rarities are about equivalent. I tried to keep the groupings as broad as possible to avoid complicating things with distinctions that are too fine. Asteroids Canyon Bomber Dodger Cars Gunslinger Night Driver _____________ Adventure Arcade Pinball Baseball Basketball Breakaway IV Chase Demons to Diamonds Math Gran Prix Missile Command Poker Plus Pong Sports Race Stellar Track Submarine Commander ___________________ Berzerk Blackjack Haunted House Maze Outer Space Pac-Man Space Combat Space Invaders Speedway II Star Raiders Warlords Yars' Revenge I think 6 is a good rarity for the first grouping (Asteroids, Canyon Bomber, etc.). Some carts in that grouping are already 6's. Subterranea, Spy Hunter, Mines of Minos and Marauder are other rarity 6's and my sense is that the carts in the first group are on par with these titles. The carts in the last group (Berzerk, Blackjack, etc.) feel like 4's to me. I guess that leaves 5's for the middle group. I could probably split the middle group in two, but, like I said, that would probably just complicate things. As for Superman, there are only two, maybe three, known copies, so I feel it deserves a 10. I'm sure some of you completely disagree with me , so, if you have any opinions on the rarities of the Sears picture labels, please post them here. Hopefully, we can reach some consensus and get some rarity designations updated. I think it's important to point out that the Sears picture labels aren't high-profile carts and they rarely appear in single-cart auctions on ebay. This can make it more difficult to track them down, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are rare. Our individual experiences acquiring these carts can affect our perception of their rarities. Some of us may have spent years tracking down Gunslinger. Others may have had no trouble finding a copy of Gunslinger, but, instead, had a difficult time just finding Berzerk. I think we have to be careful to not let rarity designations be overly influenced by our perceptions of availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) Pong Sports Is a solid R6, no way its any less. The rest I agree with except pacman, berzerk & Star Raiders are more like a R3. Edited June 9, 2006 by Shawn Sr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Below is my take on the relative rarities of the Sears picture label carts. The groups are listed in order of descending rarity. Within each grouping, I feel the rarities are about equivalent. I tried to keep the groupings as broad as possible to avoid complicating things with distinctions that are too fine. You are a genius Christophero! I like this system. To add what I think to your list: Superman _____________ Asteroids Basketball Canyon Bomber Dodger Cars Gunslinger Night Driver Pong Sports _____________ Adventure Arcade Pinball Baseball Basketball Breakaway IV Chase Demons to Diamonds Math Gran Prix Missile Command Poker Plus Pong Sports Race Stellar Track Submarine Commander ___________________ Berzerk Blackjack Haunted House Maze Outer Space Pac-Man Space Combat Space Invaders Speedway II Star Raiders Warlords Yars' Revenge ________________ Berzerk Pac-Man Space Invaders Star Raiders These last carts are all three's. I see them all the time in comparision to the other Sears carts. This list looks a lot better now. I agree Superman is super and is a 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchysuperman Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 IMO, I'd scoot Gunslinger up above Asteroids, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted June 9, 2006 Author Share Posted June 9, 2006 @Shawn & Omega I think your right about those 4 being sperarated into a lower rarity. @crunchy Are you saying that Gunslinger should be separated into it's own group with a rarity that is higher than Asteroids, Night Driver, Canyon Bomber, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchysuperman Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I think so. IMO, it's much, MUCH harder to find than those other six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) I think so. IMO, it's much, MUCH harder to find than those other six. Ya Gunslinger is quite rare, but maybe it's a "harder to get" R6? Edited June 9, 2006 by Shawn Sr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I think so. IMO, it's much, MUCH harder to find than those other six. Ya Gunslinger is quite rare, but maybe it's a "harder to get" R6? I've seen Gunslinger on eBay once, ever. Obviously Sears pic Superman is the holy grail of Sears carts, but Gunslinger and Cannon Man (Sears text) seem to be at the top of everyone's want list. I'm with Crunchy on this one. A seven doesn't seem unreasonable for this one cart, but might for the rest of the sixes. I just went through the database and looked at all the sixes. I see all of them regularly except Cannon Man, and Raft Rider (standard case). Right now Gunslinger is listed as a 5 and that's just not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted June 9, 2006 Author Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) Gunslinger isn't a 5 that's for sure, but I've actually seen it several times on ebay and had no trouble finding a copy myself. I do agree that outside of Superman (and Tank Plus and Target Fun ) Gunslinger is the rarest label, but I don't know whether I agree that it is significantly rarer than Night Driver, Canyon Bomber, etc., and, thus, deserving of a higher rarity. I'll keep an open mind on it. I wouldn't be utterly opposed to making it a 7, but it just doesn't seem to me to be any rarer than Mines of Minos, Espial, and Subterranea. Although Espial is probably rarer than a 6 and needs adjustiing itself. Edited June 9, 2006 by Christophero Sly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchysuperman Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 (and Tank Plus and Target Fun ) Ah, you just had to go & do that, didn't ya? Just when this thread was makin' me feel pretty good about my Sears picture label collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Pong Sports is rare? I didn't realize you guys were looking for that one. I just recently sacrificed one to a soldering experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Pong Sports is rare? I didn't realize you guys were looking for that one. I just recently sacrificed one to a soldering experiment. You're joking right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Pong Sports is rare? I didn't realize you guys were looking for that one. I just recently sacrificed one to a soldering experiment. You're joking right? You don't even want to know what kind of Sears carts I have stripped in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted June 9, 2006 Author Share Posted June 9, 2006 Pong Sports is rare? I didn't realize you guys were looking for that one. I just recently sacrificed one to a soldering experiment. You're joking right? You don't even want to know what kind of Sears carts I have stripped in the past. I'm afraid I already know, and it's one of the last ones I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Pong Sports is rare? I didn't realize you guys were looking for that one. I just recently sacrificed one to a soldering experiment. You're joking right? Not at all. I'm learning how to solder and desolder Eproms and roms and have been using my trash pile (aka all the extras I end up with when I win auctions that have the 1 or 2 games I am actually looking for) to experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Pong Sports is rare? I didn't realize you guys were looking for that one. I just recently sacrificed one to a soldering experiment. You're joking right? You don't even want to know what kind of Sears carts I have stripped in the past. *Cpuwiz in the past* "Boy the rims look dirty on my car. I'll just strip down this stack of Superman carts and use the labels to give them a wipe". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Pong Sports is rare? I didn't realize you guys were looking for that one. I just recently sacrificed one to a soldering experiment. You're joking right? Not at all. I'm learning how to solder and desolder Eproms and roms and have been using my trash pile (aka all the extras I end up with when I win auctions that have the 1 or 2 games I am actually looking for) to experiment. Let me know if you have any extra pic label Pong Sports before you get crazy with the solder iron again and I'll make it worth you while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Pong Sports is rare? I didn't realize you guys were looking for that one. I just recently sacrificed one to a soldering experiment. You're joking right? Not at all. I'm learning how to solder and desolder Eproms and roms and have been using my trash pile (aka all the extras I end up with when I win auctions that have the 1 or 2 games I am actually looking for) to experiment. Let me know if you have any extra pic label Pong Sports before you get crazy with the solder iron again and I'll make it worth you while. No problem. I used to list my extras for sale here, but never had any takers (even when offering games like Video Cube and Sea Hawk), so now I usually end up donating them to Good Will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
video game addict Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 (edited) This is how I would rank them:: 10: Superman 8: Gunslinger 7: Asteroids Night Driver 6: Basketball Canyon Bomber Dodger Cars Pong Sports 5: Adventure Arcade Pinball Baseball Poker Plus Math Gran Prix 4: Breakaway IV Chase Demons to Diamonds Missile Command Race Stellar Track Submarine Commander 3: Blackjack Haunted House Maze Outer Space Space Combat Speedway II Warlords Yars' Revenge 2: Berzerk Pac-Man Space Invaders Star Raiders Defender Edited June 12, 2006 by video game addict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 What about Sears Basketball?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 What about Sears Basketball?? You mean on vga's list? He puts it at a 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Gunslinger is very hard to find. Harder than Asteroids. Canyon Bomber and Pong Sports seem a bit high to me. I have passed on a few of them around here after I picked up mine mainly because I had no idea they were that rare. We had Sears all over the place in this part of the world. I see about equal parts Atari carts and Sears carts for just about everything. Gunslinger, Night Driver, Dodger Cars and Basketball are the exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 What about Sears Basketball?? You mean on vga's list? He puts it at a 6. Opps, I missdeded it on his there list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygrailvideogames.com Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 If anyone has a pic label Gunslinger for sale I would be interested. The last two pic labels that I need are Gunslinger and Superman. These two are much harder to find than the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining slade Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I agree with Omegamatrix's list except for Gunslinger. I think that should be a 7 myself. BTW if anyone needs any pic labels, I've got spares of Adventure, Dodger Cars and Missile Command. PM me an offer. I myself own all the pic labels loose except for Superman. I would say my rarest cart at the moment is that standard Raft Rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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