SpicyChronos Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 (edited) Hey all, I have a question about data recovery for the 8-bits. I have a Supra/k-Products HDD interface w/10 Meg HDD. Well it was in storage for a long time, but before it was stored away, it worked. I never did do a backup, even though I had a APE system running as well (Stupid me). Anyway, is it possible to recover the data from the drive, it was split into three partitions, a 720 Sector boot partition, and then 2 more partitions of equal size. The interface I think works, but not sure, and the HDD, well it spins up, but nothing else. When I turn on the Atari, it's sending some signal to the HDD to do something (I can hear the heads inside move), but still nothing. Could this drive be hooked up to a MIO or blackbox to get to the data? I think I used SpartaDOS X at the time. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -Spicy Edited March 18, 2007 by SpicyChronos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 bump... And to all you BB or MIO guys. Would I be able to read the data from my HDD (if it works) with a MIO or BB? Thanks! -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Hey all, I have a question about data recovery for the 8-bits. I have a Supra/k-Products HDD interface w/10 Meg HDD. Well it was in storage for a long time, but before it was stored away, it worked. I never did do a backup, even though I had a APE system running as well (Stupid me). Anyway, is it possible to recover the data from the drive, it was split into three partitions, a 720 Sector boot partition, and then 2 more partitions of equal size. The interface I think works, but not sure, and the HDD, well it spins up, but nothing else. When I turn on the Atari, it's sending some signal to the HDD to do something (I can hear the heads inside move), but still nothing. Could this drive be hooked up to a MIO or blackbox to get to the data? I think I used SpartaDOS X at the time. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -Spicy I used to have a Supra Interface, but never used it and gave it away years ago. However, I still have the docs, so I'll look through those and see if there is anything that might be of help. Since the boot partition info is probably different, at best, you might be able to use a BB or MIO to get the *raw* data off, assuming the drive is still OK. That would be ugly. Your best shot is to get this system running. IIRC, you have to plug in a ribbon cable connector to the PBI on an XL. Are the contacts on the PBI card-edge connector *scrupulously* clean? Check all your connections. Power supply good? If this worked when you stored it, then it *should* work now. No guarantees, but the odds are this is a "cable or crud" issue. Clean and check things. Do you still have the SDX cart? Does it work ok by itself? If you boot with a SD 3.2 or 3.3 floppy (properly configured) can it recognize the drives? Did you possibly use another Dos such as MyDos to set this up? Any error messages -- 130, 160, etc.? -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Howdy Spicy You could try Video61. Lance bought the rights to the Supra/KPI-Interface from Bob Klaas a while ago. (Lance said so on c.s.a.8 back when I could still access newsgroups) I have NO clue how data is written to an HDD by this interface. But the BB does it in a different way then the MIO does. It should be possible to read the contents of the HDD from any interface that will let you directly send SCSI commands to the HDD. It can be done with a BB. That's how I was able to figure out the configuration data. Problem is, I used a very crued way. So the software is far from user friendly. And I'm still halfway where it comes to migrating my hard- and optical drives to my big tower. And what you'ld get is one long row of data. You'ld have to write that back on an HDD before you can use it again. (Or locate each separate file and extract them one by one. Not an easy job) And I've never done that yet. Heck, I could wipe out lot's of good stuff. So it can be done. But it's NOT easy and NOT without danger. You best chance would be to contact Video61. Greetings Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Hey all, I have a question about data recovery for the 8-bits. I have a Supra/k-Products HDD interface w/10 Meg HDD. Well it was in storage for a long time, but before it was stored away, it worked. I never did do a backup, even though I had a APE system running as well (Stupid me). Anyway, is it possible to recover the data from the drive, it was split into three partitions, a 720 Sector boot partition, and then 2 more partitions of equal size. The interface I think works, but not sure, and the HDD, well it spins up, but nothing else. When I turn on the Atari, it's sending some signal to the HDD to do something (I can hear the heads inside move), but still nothing. Could this drive be hooked up to a MIO or blackbox to get to the data? I think I used SpartaDOS X at the time. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -Spicy I used to have a Supra Interface, but never used it and gave it away years ago. However, I still have the docs, so I'll look through those and see if there is anything that might be of help. Since the boot partition info is probably different, at best, you might be able to use a BB or MIO to get the *raw* data off, assuming the drive is still OK. That would be ugly. Your best shot is to get this system running. IIRC, you have to plug in a ribbon cable connector to the PBI on an XL. Are the contacts on the PBI card-edge connector *scrupulously* clean? Check all your connections. Power supply good? If this worked when you stored it, then it *should* work now. No guarantees, but the odds are this is a "cable or crud" issue. Clean and check things. Do you still have the SDX cart? Does it work ok by itself? If you boot with a SD 3.2 or 3.3 floppy (properly configured) can it recognize the drives? Did you possibly use another Dos such as MyDos to set this up? Any error messages -- 130, 160, etc.? -Larry Hi Larry, I've gone over the connectors with a pencil eraser, and alcohol and lint free swabs. The power supply might be in question. I did measure the 5 volt line and it seemed low. like 4.78V. I'll see if I can find another PS. I remeber using SpartaDOS X with the setup. All sparta does is do all it's farting noises, says r-time8 cart not present, and ramdisk setup. I tried running the FORMAT command, and it doesn't see the drives. If it was to boot up correctly, the 1st partition is a 720 Sector *fake floppy" (D1:) and I had a autoexec batch file on there to setup paths, etc. I get nothing out of that either. I'm wondering if the E PROM chip is flaky. It has been covered with a plastic housing, but the E PROM itself doesn't have a sticker over the window. I contacted DanWinslow to see if I could borrow his interface, and he said he'd let me. So I'll wait for it to show up, and try his. Thanks. -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Howdy Spicy You could try Video61. Lance bought the rights to the Supra/KPI-Interface from Bob Klaas a while ago. (Lance said so on c.s.a.8 back when I could still access newsgroups) I have NO clue how data is written to an HDD by this interface. But the BB does it in a different way then the MIO does. It should be possible to read the contents of the HDD from any interface that will let you directly send SCSI commands to the HDD. It can be done with a BB. That's how I was able to figure out the configuration data. Problem is, I used a very crued way. So the software is far from user friendly. And I'm still halfway where it comes to migrating my hard- and optical drives to my big tower. And what you'ld get is one long row of data. You'ld have to write that back on an HDD before you can use it again. (Or locate each separate file and extract them one by one. Not an easy job) And I've never done that yet. Heck, I could wipe out lot's of good stuff. So it can be done. But it's NOT easy and NOT without danger. You best chance would be to contact Video61. Greetings Mathy Hi Mathy, Thanks for the info. I'll try contacting Video 61 as well. I wish I knew more about this interface, etc.. Anyone suggest a inexpensive E PROM reader/programmer? the E PROM hip on this interface is a 2722A-20. I'll provide some internal shots of the interface. -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 All, I'm not sure how to get the images as thumbnails in a post, but under the Gallery at the top of the page, I have added about 8 images of various chips, etc. of the KPI-Interface (Supra) -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Okay, Whew! I figured it out how to add images... -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 (edited) Anyone suggest a inexpensive E PROM reader/programmer? the E PROM hip on this interface is a 2722A-20. I'll provide some internal shots of the interface. -Spicy I like the "Willem" (for PC). Edited March 23, 2007 by bf2k+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Do you have a web site, or e-mail address for this EPROM reader/writer? -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 I found it, Google is your friend. -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 are you sure about the Willem? http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...hl=Willem+eprom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Reading the Supra/KP docs, it reminds me that your system's symptoms sound as if your drive is missing the configuration info from track 0. My first 10 MB HD had that issue frequently. I was constantly re-writing the MIO configuration info using the MioUtils. It was a Miniscribe, IIRC, and I know that when I got a new Seagate ST-251, the problem went away. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algie Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I found these images that are for 27C32 EPROMs. They are probably for the KPI interface and my guess or hope is that the KPHD12 file is the original EPROM with 2 partions on a 20Meg drive. Maybe somebody else will know. Hope this helps. Algie KPHD12.bin KPHDMOD1.bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share Posted March 29, 2007 Thanks Algie! now all I need is a eprom burner, i'll read out my old eprom, and compare it to the ones you have in your message. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 Hey all.. An update.... I'm waiting on an EPROM programmer. I Hope this thing works.. it's one of those Wilem types. I'll dump the EPROM and compare it to one of the images that Algie provided. I have tried hooking up another HDD to the interface, and it does the same as the one i'm trying to recover. It will send some sort of start command but nothing else. If the interface is working right, I should be able to format the drive(s) , etc... but nothing, any DOS I try says drive not available. So I'm waiting on the EPROM programmer, and DanWinslow's interface to test with. I'll keep everyone informed as I get more information. Thanks all. -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hey all I missed the UPS package today, so they'll come tomorrow, thanks again DanWinslow. I received my willem multi eprom programmer, but I'm having trouble reading any type of eprom. I have two to read right now. a 27C256 and my 2732A from the interface. the 27C256 came from a Apple II SCSI card I had laying around. I've tried the Windows (XP and 98SE) and the DOS version of the software, followed the jumper settings, etc. I think I'm getting something with the DOS version, but I don't know if the jumper settings are right. They differ from the Windows Version. The Windows version is 0.98D5 and the DOS version is EDE MAY 10/99 B0.992 1.0 Freeware When I was getting a read, it looked like the data was repeating itself. the same bytes over and over with the DOS version. The Windows version would just show 00, 90, 80 a lot. I'm off to do some more research on this. If anyone has experience with the Willem programmer, please chime in. Thanks All! -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Somewhat a success... I was able to get the programmer working, using an older version of the software. I was able to read the 27C256 chip. Unfortunately in my haste to think it was a empty eprom, I went and used my improvised UV eraser on the 2732. Well the chip does erase, and report that it's empty. before I wasn't even getting that. So I burned the two different BIN files that Algie provided. but I don't get anything. SpartaDOS just farts a lot, and nothing. So I'll have to wait till the morning to get DanWinslow's interface and try again. Algie: Where did you find these BIN images? Thanks. -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Please give a moment of silence for a old 10 megabyte HDD. Yes the Xebec 4000 10MB HDD has passed away. I took the old beast out back and put a slug through her platters. I've given up on getting the data off. I know when I'm beat, and I'll go into the corner now and lick my wounds. DanWinslow, I'll be sending back the interface shortly. Thanks again for letting me borrow it. Algie, thanks again for providing the BIN images for the interface. And everyone else that tried to help out. R.I.P. Born Dec 20, 1985 Died April 6th, 2007 Xebec 4000 -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwinslow Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 /mourn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezz Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 That's a heck of an innings for a hdd. At least you can rest knowing that you tried to recover. On a passing note, you could have transfered the platters into working mechanics (if you could find another matching drive).. contrary to correct procedure, you can get away without the use of a clean room, i have done this several times.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyChronos Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share Posted April 7, 2007 I have been looking for another exact model of the HDD. but no luck. they seem to be rare drive nowadays. I can't even find a data sheet on the drive anywhere. *sigh* -Spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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