A Sprite Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 PSone ruins textures because it can't do the math, Neo Geo made the PS3 look like an experiment in socialism. The Jaguar, programmed right, had the potential to be one of the greatest hardware set-ups ever made. I'm curious - if you could take the games from any other system ever made, and have them ported to the Jag, which would you pick? What kind of games have a Jaguar feel? (is there such a thing?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigurd Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 I want more Worms games for the Jag Worms - Worms Armadggeddon ( I dont even have Worms tho ) I would love to see some Contra games on it, Wolf Spear of Destiny would be awesome. But I would really love the MK games to be on it, MK1 all the way to Trilogy. Metal Warriors on the SNES would be cool too... That is all for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjudge3 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 I love these type of "What-If" threads. I'm a historian so I always participate in the World War II "What-Ifs" around the internet. Ok, the great thing is that this list is even FEASIBLE if Atari had spent enough time on the development of tools and development systems to lure companies because they can easily develop great games and if Atari focused on software releases for 1994. Mortal Kombat II - No brainer Hard Ball III - Absolutely have to have a baseball game if the Jag is to survive long. Could get it from the Sega 5-game deal. Star Wars Arcade - Again, Atari could get it from the Sega 5-game deal and the game could be improved! There's 3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Street Fighter Bomberman Sega arcade games Games wich made the Saturn looks great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) PSone ruins textures because it can't do the math, Neo Geo made the PS3 look like an experiment in socialism. The Jaguar, programmed right, had the potential to be one of the greatest hardware set-ups ever made. I'm curious - if you could take the games from any other system ever made, and have them ported to the Jag, which would you pick? What kind of games have a Jaguar feel? (is there such a thing?) That is just it with the GOOD jag games...they are not like anything else. PS1 does not ruin textures because it cant do math. It does math just fine. It's NOT going to out do math being done on 3 processors in parallel. Now...for the games.... I've said it before and I'll say it again, Atari failed with Jaguar because they were too busy tyring to be everyone else and NOT Atari. They have a list of classics that would have covered a HUGE range of typical and very unique genre's. They had NO need to look else where. They could have spent the effort on any of the titles Im about to list and then later on worry about looking like the "Jones's". Imagine the right minds behind ANY update of one of any of these from this list of classic Atari IP's (KILLER APP FOR JAG) denotes what I think should have been the games atari worked on first. Agent X(KILLER APP FOR JAG this could have been Atari's networked FPS) Asteroids Deluxe Asteroids(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Baseball Football MiniGolf (Prototype) Soccer Avalanche Basketball Battlezone(Sorry, I love Hover Strike but its not Battle Zone)(KILLER APP FOR JAG, networked!) Bradley Trainer (Prototype) Black Widow Boxer (Prototype) Cannonball (Prototype) Canyon Bomber Centipede(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Cloud 9 (Prototype) Cops N Robbers Destroyer(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Dominos Drag Race Fire Truck Gravitar(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Lunar Lander Major Havoc(KILLER APP FOR JAG)(KILLER APP FOR JAG)(KILLER APP FOR JAG)(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Millipede Monte Carlo(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Night Driver(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Orbit Pool Shark Qwak (Prototype) Runaway Train (Prototype) Sky Diver Sky Raider(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Space Duel Sprint 1 Sprint 2 Sprint 4 Sprint 8 Starship (KILLER APP FOR JAG) Subs Super Breakout Super Bug Tank 8 Tournament Table Triple Hunt Ultra Tank Video Pinball Warlords (KILLER APP FOR JAG) Wolf Pack (Prototype) Food Fight(KILLER APP FOR JAG) I, Robot (KILLER APP FOR JAG) Liberator Liberator2 Quantum Edited July 22, 2007 by Gorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sprite Posted July 22, 2007 Author Share Posted July 22, 2007 PS1 does not ruin textures because it cant do math. It does math just fine. Then why must you subdivide when attempting floating point operations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) PS1 does not ruin textures because it cant do math. It does math just fine. Then why must you subdivide when attempting floating point operations? I said fine(as in it works), not perfect. It also does not have FP. in hardware and the R3k instruction set lacks in math fucntions compared to the GPU in the Jaguar. the DSP is even more math save y than the GPU. It has moer math options and can do one instruction modulo, circular buffers, saturation and actually gives a 40 bit result. The R3K needs to use many instructions to do the same thing the DSP does in one. The R3K spends its silicon more on being able to branch than to do exoctic math. Math can always be done with more instructions and RISC is design for that. http://www.mrc.uidaho.edu/mrc/people/jff/digital/MIPSir.html The first system with an FPU I think is the DC....have to look. I think the SH4 does floats and fixed....off the top of my head. Edited July 22, 2007 by Gorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyBuddies Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 PSone ruins textures because it can't do the math, Neo Geo made the PS3 look like an experiment in socialism. The Jaguar, programmed right, had the potential to be one of the greatest hardware set-ups ever made. I'm curious - if you could take the games from any other system ever made, and have them ported to the Jag, which would you pick? What kind of games have a Jaguar feel? (is there such a thing?) That is just it with the GOOD jag games...they are not like anything else. PS1 does not ruin textures because it cant do math. It does math just fine. It's NOT going to out do math being done on 3 processors in parallel. Now...for the games.... I've said it before and I'll say it again, Atari failed with Jaguar because they were too busy tyring to be everyone else and NOT Atari. They have a list of classics that would have covered a HUGE range of typical and very unique genre's. They had NO need to look else where. They could have spent the effort on any of the titles Im about to list and then later on worry about looking like the "Jones's". Imagine the right minds behind ANY update of one of any of these from this list of classic Atari IP's (KILLER APP FOR JAG) denotes what I think should have been the games atari worked on first. Agent X(KILLER APP FOR JAG this could have been Atari's networked FPS) Asteroids Deluxe Asteroids(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Baseball Football MiniGolf (Prototype) Soccer Avalanche Basketball Battlezone(Sorry, I love Hover Strike but its not Battle Zone)(KILLER APP FOR JAG, networked!) Bradley Trainer (Prototype) Black Widow Boxer (Prototype) Cannonball (Prototype) Canyon Bomber Centipede(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Cloud 9 (Prototype) Cops N Robbers Destroyer(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Dominos Drag Race Fire Truck Gravitar(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Lunar Lander Major Havoc(KILLER APP FOR JAG)(KILLER APP FOR JAG)(KILLER APP FOR JAG)(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Millipede Monte Carlo(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Night Driver(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Orbit Pool Shark Qwak (Prototype) Runaway Train (Prototype) Sky Diver Sky Raider(KILLER APP FOR JAG) Space Duel Sprint 1 Sprint 2 Sprint 4 Sprint 8 Starship (KILLER APP FOR JAG) Subs Super Breakout Super Bug Tank 8 Tournament Table Triple Hunt Ultra Tank Video Pinball Warlords (KILLER APP FOR JAG) Wolf Pack (Prototype) Food Fight(KILLER APP FOR JAG) I, Robot (KILLER APP FOR JAG) Liberator Liberator2 Quantum hummm, i didnt see Mortal Kombat 3 on that list???????? .......ribbit,ribbit,ribbit...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2KFREEKER Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 PS1 does not ruin textures because it cant do math. It does math just fine. Then why must you subdivide when attempting floating point operations? I said fine(as in it works), not perfect. It also does not have FP. in hardware and the R3k instruction set lacks in math fucntions compared to the GPU in the Jaguar. the DSP is even more math save y than the GPU. It has moer math options and can do one instruction modulo, circular buffers, saturation and actually gives a 40 bit result. The R3K needs to use many instructions to do the same thing the DSP does in one. The R3K spends its silicon more on being able to branch than to do exoctic math. Math can always be done with more instructions and RISC is design for that. http://www.mrc.uidaho.edu/mrc/people/jff/digital/MIPSir.html The first system with an FPU I think is the DC....have to look. I think the SH4 does floats and fixed....off the top of my head. Also, the system is devoid of V-Ram. Hope I didn't put my foot in my mouth here, but it didn't help things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Hard Ball III - Absolutely have to have a baseball game if the Jag is to survive long. Could get it from the Sega 5-game deal. Wasn't this a planned title? Maybe some code exists for it, somewhere. I would love to see finished versions of Dactyl Joust, Black Ice: White Noise, and Centipede 2000. I don't even know if the last one got out of planning, though. I am hoping that, someday, someone will be able to pass me a copy of Phear. I love puzzlers, and always thought that this was the biggest hole in the Jag's library. Given the fact that it's rumoured to be best game on the Jag (T2K notwithstanding), I'd love to try it out. I think that's about it, though I'd love to see more levels for both Wolfenstein and Doom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory DG Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Yeah, pretty sure Hardball was on the release list. I think Frank Thomas Big Hurt Baseball was too. I really really really wish someone would port Neo Geo's Baseball Stars 2 to the Jaguar. Or create a game very similar to it. No need for all these extra modes and such. Just put together a fun baseball game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffyone Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I would've really dug it if those games david mentioned were finished (Dactyl Joust, Black Ice/White Noise, etc.). BTW, david, Phear became Tetris Sphere in case you didn't know already. And, yeah, I would've liked that one too. But, honestly, I would love to see stuff on Jag that we don't really have. I'd have loved to have seen one or two on rail shooters on Jag. Still would love to see that. Gorf...are you getting this? On rail. Think Star Fox 64. I know you don't dig it...but, c'mon, we've got a few free range style space shooters already. An on rail one, or even one that mixes on rail levels with some free roam stuff (like SF64 did) would be a nice change of pace. Wouldn't have minded a JRPG or SRPG (think Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy Tactics, etc.) either. A good fighting game would be nice. Not UV either. More along the lines of SF or KoF for 2D, or VF for 3D (because Fight for Life isn't cutting it, and might not even be the real game to begin with if what I read is true). Oh...a racing game. A definitive racer, like NfS is for 3DO, Ridge Racer (RIIIIIIDDDDGGGEE RRRRACCCCCERRRRRRR!...sorry, can't help it!) for the PSone, and Daytona and Sega Rally are for Saturn. Another cart racer would be great too. Mix sprites and poly tracks, like Nintendo did with Mario Kart 64. Atari Karts seems fun, but could've been better. But the one game that I wish Atari had made for Jag that they never did? Adventure 2000. The killer app of all killer apps. It would have been to Jag (and still could be, IMHO) what Ocarina of Time was to N64. The Adventure 3D mod for Quake III gave me this idea. Hell, the flat shaded, non-textured look could be pulled off relatively well by the Jag, even if the Jag can't actually run Q3 engine. Put it to you this way: imagine Cybermorph or Battlemorph style graphics, in an enclosed castle with goraud shaded features, maybe a few textures here and there, and either a first person perspective, or 3rd person with a poly character model (so replace the ship in Battlemorph with a human character). Again, killer app. Heck, add in a few outdoor areas, like the road leading to the castle or something, and it would truly be a "next gen" (for Jag, anyway) re-imagining of a classic VCS game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 BTW, david, Phear became Tetris Sphere in case you didn't know already. And, yeah, I would've liked that one too. Oh, I know, but I'd like to play it on the Jag. AFAIK, and from the few rumours that I've been able to glean on the 'net, Phear is fully playable on the Jag, and is so kick-ass-cool that it was actually considered to be an actual threat by other companies, which is why rights were bought up/strong armed away from Atari. But WHO HAS THIS??? Honestly, this is being held more tightly than Lynx EoTB or (the rumoured) Telegames' Graham Gooch Cricket and James Pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory DG Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Just played Tetrisphere on a N64 emulator... I didn't find it all that great. And I'm a huge Tetris junkie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Just played Tetrisphere on a N64 emulator... I didn't find it all that great. And I'm a huge Tetris junkie. Perhaps they butchered the N64 port? I recall reading that gamers were simply astounded by this game at whatever convention it was shown at. Since I'd reserve that kind of language for something on the level of T2K, I'd expect that JagPhear was something special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sprite Posted July 23, 2007 Author Share Posted July 23, 2007 From what I read, it was an enhanced port. My guess is that what was amazing for the Jag, at the time, compared to the rest of the software library, wasn't as visually stunning running years later, on a better supported system - it didn't make many ripples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuzaxeman Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 (edited) Just played Tetrisphere on a N64 emulator... I didn't find it all that great. And I'm a huge Tetris junkie. i've played "the new tetris" on the n64 for years. simply one of the best games on the n64. if you ever get to play with 4 players, it's amazing.... check out the reviews : http://www.epinions.com/game-Software-All-...~reviews?sp=ipt Edited July 23, 2007 by phuzaxeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter_J64bit Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Donkey Kong Atari had the rights to it Mario Bros. Atari had the rights to it Zaxxon Atari had the rights to it (I think) Berzek Atari had the rights to it Space Dungeon Atari had the rights to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Donkey Kong Atari had the rights to it Mario Bros. Atari had the rights to it Zaxxon Atari had the rights to it (I think) Berzek Atari had the rights to it Space Dungeon Atari had the rights to it Those deals were long expired by the time Jaguar was released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 (edited) Also, the system is devoid of V-Ram. Hope I didn't put my foot in my mouth here, but it didn't help things. Which system? The PS1 has a lot of VRAM....1 meg I think. The Jaguar has to use part of it's two megs for display buffers. So, no, it does not have dedicated VRAM, if you meant Jaguar. Edited July 23, 2007 by Gorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyBuddies Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 BTW, david, Phear became Tetris Sphere in case you didn't know already. And, yeah, I would've liked that one too. Oh, I know, but I'd like to play it on the Jag. AFAIK, and from the few rumours that I've been able to glean on the 'net, Phear is fully playable on the Jag, and is so kick-ass-cool that it was actually considered to be an actual threat by other companies, which is why rights were bought up/strong armed away from Atari. But WHO HAS THIS??? Honestly, this is being held more tightly than Lynx EoTB or (the rumoured) Telegames' Graham Gooch Cricket and James Pond. the Phear Rom does exist for the Jaguar,the person who has it will not respond............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyBuddies Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 BTW, david, Phear became Tetris Sphere in case you didn't know already. And, yeah, I would've liked that one too. Oh, I know, but I'd like to play it on the Jag. AFAIK, and from the few rumours that I've been able to glean on the 'net, Phear is fully playable on the Jag, and is so kick-ass-cool that it was actually considered to be an actual threat by other companies, which is why rights were bought up/strong armed away from Atari. But WHO HAS THIS??? Honestly, this is being held more tightly than Lynx EoTB or (the rumoured) Telegames' Graham Gooch Cricket and James Pond. Telegames has 7 Jaguar games that were atleast started,lots of rumors float around,but Virtuoso is complete...and EoTB exists for the Lynx,you can find one if your price is right!,LOL........Mortal Kombat 3 also exist on the Jaguar!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigurd Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 BTW, david, Phear became Tetris Sphere in case you didn't know already. And, yeah, I would've liked that one too. Oh, I know, but I'd like to play it on the Jag. AFAIK, and from the few rumours that I've been able to glean on the 'net, Phear is fully playable on the Jag, and is so kick-ass-cool that it was actually considered to be an actual threat by other companies, which is why rights were bought up/strong armed away from Atari. But WHO HAS THIS??? Honestly, this is being held more tightly than Lynx EoTB or (the rumoured) Telegames' Graham Gooch Cricket and James Pond. Telegames has 7 Jaguar games that were atleast started,lots of rumors float around,but Virtuoso is complete...and EoTB exists for the Lynx,you can find one if your price is right!,LOL........Mortal Kombat 3 also exist on the Jaguar!!! MK3 Jag?????? How much? where? I need it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyBuddies Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 BTW, david, Phear became Tetris Sphere in case you didn't know already. And, yeah, I would've liked that one too. Oh, I know, but I'd like to play it on the Jag. AFAIK, and from the few rumours that I've been able to glean on the 'net, Phear is fully playable on the Jag, and is so kick-ass-cool that it was actually considered to be an actual threat by other companies, which is why rights were bought up/strong armed away from Atari. But WHO HAS THIS??? Honestly, this is being held more tightly than Lynx EoTB or (the rumoured) Telegames' Graham Gooch Cricket and James Pond. Telegames has 7 Jaguar games that were atleast started,lots of rumors float around,but Virtuoso is complete...and EoTB exists for the Lynx,you can find one if your price is right!,LOL........Mortal Kombat 3 also exist on the Jaguar!!! MK3 Jag?????? How much? where? I need it!!! I know buddy......ill make ita thread.....,LOL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevincal Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Well, if Atari were able to get MK3 out, and also some Sega games from that deal they had...it would have really helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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