thomasholzer Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 (edited) Uks gaming magazine publishing house, Future Publishing, the publishers of Edge, PC Format etc....thinks the C64 never had any cartridges released before the C64GS. Read this in Amiga Format Special 1992/1993: Edited March 24, 2008 by thomasholzer Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze_ro Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 --Zero Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1488880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Considering I have two for the C64, I think they might be wrong (frostbite and Kongobongo if anybody cares) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1488909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 That entire article is a wall of confusion. How do you load a tape from a disk? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1488968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasholzer Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 Yes, I noticed that, I think they meant 'to load games from tape, disk or cartridge'. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1488983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Hi, talking about C64 cartridges: The austrian magazine "Lotek64" published an article about the twelve OCEAN cartridges that were released for the C64 / C64 GS. You can download the latest issue here (article is on pages 21 and 22): http://www.lotek64.com/main/fileretriever....=0&issue=24 Best regards, Simon Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1489216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt_Woloch Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Well, I know for sure that in pre-crash times (before 1984), many cartridges for the C-64 were produced by Commodore and also some third party companies like Sega, Atarisoft, Activision, Sierra and Parker Bros. They only had the little problem that the cartridge space only was supposed to go from $8000-$BFFF, that's 16K, so you could make bigger games loading from cassette or disk than from cartridge. Some games were initially designed to run from cartridge, but then sold as tapes (such as "River Raid" by Activision), which you can see by the fact that they are still exactly 16K in size. Interestingly, there exist mis-rips from "Pitfall!" which are 16K in size although the game actually is only 8K. It may be true, however, that not all the cartridges were sold everywhere. I've got images of cartridges I've never seen "for real" here in Austria and which also were never advertised or reviewed, like for instance "Mario Bros." by Atarisoft. But that's true for disk- and tape-based games as well. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1489471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BydoEmpire Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 I have Lazarian on cart. It's the only c64 cart I have, but it's a great game. I should fire that up one of these days... I never really got into collecting c64 carts, but it might be kind of fun. There are an awful lot of great games, and they can't be that expensive. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1489551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzap64 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Sooo many cartridges: http://www.mayhem64.co.uk/main.htm Click "Cartridges" on the side nav. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1489853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segataritensoftii Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Sooo many cartridges: http://www.mayhem64.co.uk/main.htm Click "Cartridges" on the side nav. I think I saw a Cad program for C64 on a cart. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1490012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze_ro Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 They only had the little problem that the cartridge space only was supposed to go from $8000-$BFFF, that's 16K, so you could make bigger games loading from cassette or disk than from cartridge. I call BS on this excuse. The design of the 2600 left programmers with only 4k of ROM space, but they got around that easily enough. Bankswitching wasn't exactly a new thing, and there were enough clever C64 programmers out there that 16K limit should have been a speed bump at best. I think it was the cost drove them away. Disks and tapes were much cheaper than ROM chips, especially when the ROM sizes got bigger, while putting 16K or 180K on a disk cost the same amount. I think the reason cartridges got a resurgence was the absence of load times... disks were slow as molasses, and tapes were even worse. Loading 32K was painless enough, but eventually, the price of a ROM probably seemed justified in the face of 5 minutes of loading. The fact that cartridges were harder to pirate probably had some influence as well. It may be true, however, that not all the cartridges were sold everywhere. Europe got a far larger library of cartridge releases than North America did, mostly due to the very high price of disk drives in Europe from what I've read. I could understand a North American magazine making this mistake, but a British publisher should know better than that. I have Lazarian on cart. It's the only c64 cart I have, but it's a great game. I really like this game too... did you know that it's actually a port of an arcade game? The C64 version is pretty much a perfect port. --Zero Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1491345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Sooo many cartridges: http://www.mayhem64.co.uk/main.htm Click "Cartridges" on the side nav. http://www.mayhem64.co.uk/topcart07.htm Eeeeewww! It looks like Conan, the gigantic turd that Mindscape dropped on the NES! I'd bet demons to diamonds that they're the same game, with slight tweaks to the graphics. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1491347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Myth is a stonewall classic on the C64... fabulous game. And nothing to do with Conan (mind you, I wouldn't put it past Mindscape to have licensed the game and converted it to the NES and changed the graphics. After all, they did the same with Uridium when creating Last Starfighter!) Actually I just looked it up... THEY DID! @Ze_ro - there were tons of cartridges released in the US that never made Europe. However only Europe got the new cartridges when the C64GS came out cos the console was pretty much Europe only. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/123262-future-publishing-thinks-there-were-never-any-carts-released-for-c-64/#findComment-1491407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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