Heaven/TQA Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 @ MK thanks for the Reditus link...haven't seen that demo from Zelax for ages... has nice fx btw with nice transitions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyace Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 The 60 sprites demo is nice - is there an ATR of it?I'm guessing it's very unrolled - as I haven't seen many 60 sprite games Yes it is unrolled. Here's the executable. Thanks It looks good - I've not unrolled code anywhere near enough on Pacman yet ( it hasn't dropped out of a 60hz frame yet ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Oswald... mode10: Koronis Rift gfx screen, panel is mode9 with spritesMode9: all Lucasfilm Intros + Rescue on Fractalus Intro plus Ballblazer Intro and there was a Red Hat Game which used mode9. so thats 1 or 2 game ( I have asked for ingame usage). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) Oswald... why are you not simply fireing up and load the game??? Koronis Rift 3d engine is based on mode10... so used ingame... the ingame panel is mode9 with sprite overlays for the modules...missles are used for the shield indicators at the left/right screen edges... the enemies are softsprites in mode10, too... and Slot Machine: http://www.atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?...VERSION_ID=4730 Edited December 11, 2008 by Heaven/TQA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 and Electra Glide? http://www.atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?...mp;SOFT_ID=1822 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 and Electra Glide? http://www.atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?...mp;SOFT_ID=1822 how is the road made then ? interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 and there was a Red Hat Game which used mode9. Think you mean 'Space Lobsters'? http://www.atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?...VERSION_ID=4838 CU Irgendwer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I'm yet to see a game (as INGAME gfx)/application using those modes. demos benefit them a lot tho. Cygnus X1 http://www.atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?...VERSION_ID=1472 CU Irgendwer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 so, overall about 10 games use those modes for ingame stuf. doesnt looks like a very important mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) Meaning - not important how exactly - what defines the importance of a graphic mode for heaven's sake!?!?! Underused - surely, that is true... sTeVE BTW I LOVED that Slot Machine game back in the day - the crisp and clean visual design is soooo nice... Edited December 11, 2008 by Jetboot Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 so, overall about 10 games use those modes for ingame stuf. doesnt looks like a very important mode. There are many more, but it's not easy to say, since it may be used for improvement of small segments of the screen only. It's to easy to mix modes on the A8... Nearly all given samples use this mode only partially, which makes sense: I wouldn't do the score display in this mode either... Another sample: Astrogrover http://www.atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?...;VERSION_ID=362 Anyhow, I agree that it is not often in use for main screen areas - unfortunately - it think it's underestimated - especially in char mode. CU Irgendwer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Underused - surely, that is true... what defines the underusedness of a graphic mode for heaven's sake!?!?! (it was underused for a reason... take a guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 so, overall about 10 games use those modes for ingame stuf. doesnt looks like a very important mode. There are many more, but it's not easy to say, since it may be used for improvement of small segments of the screen only. It's to easy to mix modes on the A8... I was asking for ingame uses. and its easy to mix modes on any 8bit machine... which has modes at all. you just change a register at the right moment... how hard is that ? holy shit there's even char mode of this widepixel stuff ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 1:30 7:25 0:35 (not bad from a slower machine eh) and at 3:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVhcKNc99Js Really, I like the "edge of disgrace" demo. But I do not see what I was asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allas Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) so, overall about 10 games use those modes for ingame stuf. doesnt looks like a very important mode. lol, you remind me the old days of chained questions of C64 users. :) Just one good example is enough, and there are at least 30 games with this mode on ingame screen. I'm curious, how do you test Atari games: 0- I do nothing for testing 1- I imagine how could be 2- I look screenshots 3- I read commentaries about this game version 4- I test on an Atari emulator 5- I test on a real Atari machine 6- I finished the games on emulator or real machine Edited December 11, 2008 by Allas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 GTIA modes were not well understood and very underused in the 80s. Part of it was probably the fear of alienating CTIA users. But I think the truth there is that there are hardly any of them anyway. AFAIK, there was never a PAL CTIA made. And, OS Revision A was quickly replaced by Rev B, and I'd guess that anyone bothering to have that fix done would have opted to get a GTIA put in as well. Elektraglide only uses GTIA for the dashboard graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 holy shit there's even char mode of this widepixel stuff ? Yep. I made a game back in the 80s with that in Basic and the title played a full digitized soundtrack. Sadly, the whole disk is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) what defines the underusedness of a graphic mode for heaven's sake!?!?! (it was underused for a reason... take a guess) For many cases it is not obvious to use this mode, but it has it advantages. Like said in an other thread, I think Mode 10 would be appropriate/better for 'Mule Wars', but it is not obvious. Many A8 beginners (like you) didn't know that char modes and GTIA modes are mixable, since there is no Basic equivalent 'graphics'-mode - so it's a little bit out of sight. Mode 11: Ultra Tetris http://www.atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?...VERSION_ID=5604 CU Irgendwer Edited December 11, 2008 by Irgendwer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 1:30 7:25 0:35 (not bad from a slower machine eh) and at 3:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVhcKNc99Js Really, I like the "edge of disgrace" demo. But I do not see what I was asking for. you could have just asked for a screen showing only 1 color which is the same as on the a8. doesnt makes much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 holy shit there's even char mode of this widepixel stuff ? You can turn on GTIA modes at any time, and the GTIA will simply interpret the data stream from Antic as 4-bit clusters and apply the coloring you've selected. Doesn't really matter what mode is specified in the display list. So it can be used with character modes or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Just one good example is enough, and there are at least 30 games with this mode on ingame screen. so 30 vs a few thousands, or ten thousand ? all that silicon space could have been used to make a true 16 color mode fex. using 4 pixel wide pixels with 16 color registers. I'm curious, how do you test Atari games: I dont. I dont write reviews either where always the c64 wins because the "gfx feels better" or because "the colors feel better" or because the "sound feels better" or the "playabality feels better", nor do I write "gfx is almost the same,this sprite is nicer on a8, that sprite is nicer on c64 so overall the a8 is better" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 1:30 7:25 0:35 (not bad from a slower machine eh) and at 3:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVhcKNc99Js Really, I like the "edge of disgrace" demo. But I do not see what I was asking for. you could have just asked for a screen showing only 1 color which is the same as on the a8. doesnt makes much sense. Actually I asked for a "5sec" demonstration where 48 colours projcecting a lightsource.... the black background and the 3 colours of the PM Bulb not included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Oswald, Un-important and Underused - there are differences - allow me to elucidate: Unimportant - not important; petty. Underused - not fully used : having more potential than is currently being realized or utilized (from the regular dictionary before you question the voracity of my statement again) So I ask again - how on earth can a graphic mode be Petty??? sTeVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Many A8 beginners (like you) didn't know that char modes and GTIA modes are mixable, since there is no Basic equivalent 'graphics'-mode - so it's a little bit out of sight. hmm so its not wasting silicon as I wrote in my previous post. really strange tho why miner choosed to go this way instead of attribute memory. might have felt like a good idea back then. which machine was the first with color-cell stuff ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswald Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 1:30 7:25 0:35 (not bad from a slower machine eh) and at 3:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVhcKNc99Js Really, I like the "edge of disgrace" demo. But I do not see what I was asking for. you could have just asked for a screen showing only 1 color which is the same as on the a8. doesnt makes much sense. Actually I asked for a "5sec" demonstration where 48 colours projcecting a lightsource.... the black background and the 3 colours of the PM Bulb not included. sure, you can ask me showing a c64 demo which does what the c64 can not (48 colors) . I could similarly ask you showing me an a8 demo moving 120 sprites at 50fps. none of them makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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