the.golden.ax Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Is this a valid CIB original boxed game list? I want to make sure that this is everything that came in a box, that isn't homebrew, or proto, or released later on after Atari pulled the plug. If anything is missing please let me know. APB Awesome Golf Baseball Heroes Basketbrawl Batman Returns BattleWheels Battlezone 2000 Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure Block Out Blue Lightning California Games Checkered Flag Chip's Challenge Crystal Mines II Desert Strike Dinolympics Dirty Larry: Renegade Cop Double Dragon Dracula the Undead Electrocop European Soccer Challenge Fidelity Ultimate Chess Challenge Gates of Zendocon Gauntlet: The Third Encounter Gordo 106 Hard Drivin' Hockey Hydra Ishido: The Way of the Stones Jimmy Connors' Tennis Joust KLAX Krazy Ace Miniature Golf Kung Food Lemmings Lynx Casino Malibu Bikini Volleyball Ms. Pac-Man NFL Football Ninja Gaiden Ninja Gaiden III: Ancient Ship of Doom Pac-Land Paperboy Pinball Jam Pit-Fighter Power Factor Qix Rampage Rampart RoadBlasters Robo-Squash Robotron: 2084 Rygar S.T.U.N. Runner Scrapyard Dog Shadow of the Beast Shanghai Steel Talons Super Asteroids & Missile Command Super Off-Road Super Skweek Switchblade II Todd's Adventures in Slime World Toki Tournament Cyberball Turbo Sub Viking Child Warbirds World Class Fussball/Soccer Xenophobe Xybots Zarlor Mercenary Thanks, AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) ummm... someone else may need to help you on this one. LOL I think there have been a few lists like this on here. There's a thread over at Digitpress... for some reason I can't copy and paste the link. Search for Atari Lynx... and the user name ADOL He has a lot of CIB collections and that is one of them. I can't get the pictures to pull up though. Edited February 20, 2009 by EricDeLee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famicommander Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 According to every source I can find, that's all of them. Are you hoping to track down all the Songbird and Telegames cartridges down the road too, or are you just going for the original run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 According to every source I can find, that's all of them. Are you hoping to track down all the Songbird and Telegames cartridges down the road too, or are you just going for the original run? I'm doing original run first... Sorting out the whole mess of what came later confuses me. SO MANY of those are bootleg PCB with a chip... and some of them only ever came that way (homebrews). Stuff like AVP really never had a specific collectors release (right?) while stuff like Alpine games and Raiden did (but sometimes are bootlegs... at least Raiden) I want to support the hobby and homebrew makers, but I don't want to put money in the bootleggers hands. AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Raiden was an official Release. That's what I've been told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Here's another thread... with pics: http://web.archive.org/web/20071022175059/...allery/album414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Raiden was an official Release. That's what I've been told I'd need photographic evidence I do think the next leg of my collecting would be the real but not boxed games (I think raiden falls into that one... they have little handles or holes....) I dunno, they just look so fake with a honkin chip stickin out of them... Homebrew is okay like that... its someones work... protos and others like that though... I just dont get the point. AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadest Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Sorting out the whole mess of what came later confuses me. SO MANY of those are bootleg PCB with a chip... and some of them only ever came that way (homebrews). Stuff like AVP really never had a specific collectors release (right?) while stuff like Alpine games and Raiden did (but sometimes are bootlegs... at least Raiden) I want to support the hobby and homebrew makers, but I don't want to put money in the bootleggers hands. I think you cannot find pirates homebrew cartridges. Fortunately, these games seems to not have been dumped yet (and hopefully will never be), so you can only find the official release made by their author/editor (Songbird games, Soko & Pokermania, Alpine Games, and others). The only games where you can find different releases are Yastuna games, because the ROMs are freely available, and some guys decided to make and sell some cartridges (which was clearly authorized by the licence) so in this case, if you are interested, just buy the edition you prefer (depending on price, goodies, PCB, ...), or from the source you want to support, or just wait the availibility of the upcoming flash card to play them... I'm not sure that AvP or Raiden have been properly edited (with secured rights like Songbird did for Loopz or other games), so I don't konw how these can be considered. At least, some Raiden PCB are not official, for sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 ummm... someone else may need to help you on this one. LOL I think there have been a few lists like this on here. There's a thread over at Digitpress... for some reason I can't copy and paste the link. Search for Atari Lynx... and the user name ADOL He has a lot of CIB collections and that is one of them. I can't get the pictures to pull up though. The french dude that kept getting banned on eBay Adol? AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure that AvP or Raiden have been properly edited (with secured rights like Songbird did for Loopz or other games), so I don't konw how these can be considered. At least, some Raiden PCB are not official, for sure... I'll admit Raiden is the one I want to see most, and I heard it wasn't complete, but then you see pics like this from Telegames, and it makes you wonder if Telegames did finish? Thanks, AX Edited February 20, 2009 by the.golden.ax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xZanU Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 ax, have you ever thought that maybe you already have enough CIB atari collections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_lynx1989 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Raiden was an official Release. That's what I've been told Raiden,Fat Bobby,and Hyperdrome were all 'official' releases by Telegames (Raiden and Fat Bobby made by ICD for Telegames in June 1997).Also,you had TWO (2) 'official' versions of Hyperdrome from them: 1.) Poly zip bagged EPROM & DOCs in May '99 and a latter Raiden/Fat Bobby CD case one (ICD made?).Also,rereleases of Checkered Flag and etc in 2002/3 this way. Edited February 20, 2009 by chris_lynx1989 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 ax, have you ever thought that maybe you already have enough CIB atari collections? Well... I have actually cut way back, and now perfecting the ones that are most important. Red 2600, 7800, Lynx, Jaguar, Sega CD, Genesis... I threw the towel in on Tg16 but who knows later... It is possible that 5200 will be in there eventually, but its really a weird one to collect for.... lots of crappy boxes. AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 ax, have you ever thought that maybe you already have enough CIB atari collections? It is possible that 5200 will be in there eventually, but its really a weird one to collect for.... lots of crappy boxes. AX Si, senior. The 5200 is a tough one. As is ColecoVision, from what I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 Lemmings seems to be the only stubborn item... last to be located before the whole set is complete. AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I looked, but I can't find anywhere that Raiden was released in a box. All I can find is the CD Jewel Case. That's it. What about the games that came in a hard plastic shell. Bubble display... or whatever. Are you going after those? What about the ridged or flat carts? To be complete, I think you at least should have those. You aren't really going after sealed boxes, so it won't be too bad for you to locate some of these. (Guantlet Ridged is tough to find... and Gates of Zendocon curved was tough for me as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Raiden: it is a release. That is for sure. To echo Chris a bit; Telegames evetually re-released some of these on the black PCB boards that Carl (Songbird) uses. That was confirmed. I am guessing the earlier releases of Raiden came on a green PCB with a big honking EPROM attached to it. Then they switched to the "Long Live The Lynx" black boards. More cost efficient from what I understand. I'm still trying to track down some of the EPROM version of these games. I like the variety. Oh... I hit the 100 mark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm at 71 single titles not counting duplicates. I'm going to do the official later stuff in jewel case and buble packs after I'm 100% done with the boxed set. I need to sell around 80 extras to recoup the costs (I took that sweadish Krazy Ace last night UGH) AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 ebay? I ended up getting my Krazy Ace, Bubble Trouble and Fat Bobby for about $50 each right before I left for my honeymoon back in August. I believe I got them from Nick's site (where I got the red pcb cart Yatstuna or something like that). Hope you didn't have to pay too much. All three of mine came complete. Perhaps someone can answer this here: Krazy Ace: Did it ever get released on the small black PCB boards that Songbird uses? I'm not sure if that one did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Smeghead Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Raiden: it is a release. That is for sure. To echo Chris a bit; Telegames evetually re-released some of these on the black PCB boards that Carl (Songbird) uses. That was confirmed. I am guessing the earlier releases of Raiden came on a green PCB with a big honking EPROM attached to it. Then they switched to the "Long Live The Lynx" black boards. Actually, you might be reversed on that. B&C has recently received a new supply of Telegames Lynx games, and if we can trust the eBay auction pic, the copy of Raiden they are selling is the green PCB. I don't see any pics on B&C's website, and they goofed on the primary eBay pic, but if you go into the auction text and click on the "see a larger picture" line, you'll get this shot: So, take that for what it's worth. At this point, it probably is cheaper for Telegames to make the green PCB ones, or perhaps they found an old stash somewhere. Who knows, really. Cheers, Smeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 ebay? I ended up getting my Krazy Ace, Bubble Trouble and Fat Bobby for about $50 each right before I left for my honeymoon back in August. I believe I got them from Nick's site (where I got the red pcb cart Yatstuna or something like that). Hope you didn't have to pay too much. All three of mine came complete. Perhaps someone can answer this here: Krazy Ace: Did it ever get released on the small black PCB boards that Songbird uses? I'm not sure if that one did. Yeah, I paid too much $71 converted to USD Most expencive game I have for Lynx now... AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 B&C... is that Myatari or something on ebay? If that is, I believe this is what is going on... the higher priced games, (the Desert Strikes and the Raidens... at least for right now) they are simply burning the EPROMS with the rom they have and are putting it on the boards that already have. I don't consider that an official release. I consider that just a way to make money. Remember, this is the same guy that was upset that the Blue Lightning Demo games (the ones that came on a PCB and with an EPROM) went for so low, and then decided to basically not sell them and use them for parts. I think the picture above is not a real release. Raiden had the flat cart to begin with, now I wonder if that one had an eprom type cart being that it was released so late in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Smeghead Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 B&C... is that Myatari or something on ebay? If that is, I believe this is what is going on... the higher priced games, (the Desert Strikes and the Raidens... at least for right now) they are simply burning the EPROMS with the rom they have and are putting it on the boards that already have. I don't consider that an official release. I consider that just a way to make money. Remember, this is the same guy that was upset that the Blue Lightning Demo games (the ones that came on a PCB and with an EPROM) went for so low, and then decided to basically not sell them and use them for parts. I think the picture above is not a real release. Raiden had the flat cart to begin with, now I wonder if that one had an eprom type cart being that it was released so late in the game. Eric, Yes, MyAtari on eBay is B&C. As for my thoughts on the B&C Telegames releases... On the B&C website, they have the following listed: Last change 09/16/2008 Just in today from Telegames UK. For Jaguar from Telegames X- Breakout 2000 Cart $80 Sorry sold out of this one already. - Iron Soldier 2 - cd $90 - Iron Soldier II - ltd ed Ccartridge $140 ...etc For Lynx from Telegames - Bubble Trouble $70 - Desert Strike $70 - Double Dragon $70 - Fat Bobby $70 - Hyperdrome $70 - Raiden $70 - Super Off-Road $60 - T-Tris $80 Now, we all know they do make EPROM copies of some of the non-released Lynx games like AvP, Centipede and Daemonsgate. They call them "Prototype/demo/test cartridges." However, they've never lied or tried to be disengenuous about what they sell, as far as I can remember. So, I really doubt they'd actually say these are Telegames releases if they weren't. Besides, if they did make copies, I doubt they'd go to the trouble of copying the CD case insert. If you look at the picture, the inside cover has an ad for "other Telegames releases" with their UK address. Why would B&C do that? Also, all of B&C's green EPROM boards have their name on it. Case in point: Whereas, my EPROM copy of Bubble Trouble (which I believe to be genuine, but I can't recall where I bought it.. it has the CD jewel case with the Telegames logo on it) looks very similar to the Raiden EPROM B&C/MyAtari shows on the eBay auction: So, in my opinion, if they say these games come from Telegames, I believe it. Maybe we should start a new thread, to see if anyone has a PCB version of any of these games, and when they purchased the games. Personally, I'd rather not badmouth one of the few Atari retailers left, without some sort of proof. Just my thoughts. Cheers, Smeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedenLynxer Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) Totally agreed with Smeg. I would say it's definitely a genuine Telegames Raiden. Personally I need to find Bubble Trouble on a BLACK PCB (have green ones already) That would pretty much complete my collection. Edited February 23, 2009 by SwedenLynxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 B&C... is that Myatari or something on ebay? If that is, I believe this is what is going on... the higher priced games, (the Desert Strikes and the Raidens... at least for right now) they are simply burning the EPROMS with the rom they have and are putting it on the boards that already have. I don't consider that an official release. I consider that just a way to make money. Remember, this is the same guy that was upset that the Blue Lightning Demo games (the ones that came on a PCB and with an EPROM) went for so low, and then decided to basically not sell them and use them for parts. I think the picture above is not a real release. Raiden had the flat cart to begin with, now I wonder if that one had an eprom type cart being that it was released so late in the game. I got my Krazy Ace on eBay from a Swedish seller... AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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